Taliban declares defeat of NATO
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"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3)
"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (I Corinthians 11
-9)
"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)
"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything." (Ephesians 5:22-24)
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3)
"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (I Corinthians 11
-9)"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)
"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything." (Ephesians 5:22-24)
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)
LJ
As in Vietnam and other conflicts, 'we' were defeated from within, with our media and plethora of do-gooders.
You can't win without the political will and support.
You can't win without the political will and support.
It was a failure to comprehend the enemy and to get the locals on-side, as well as piss poor planning, that did for us in both Afghanistan and Iraq
To compare the media coverage of Afghanistan with that of Vietnam is wrong and just lazy.
Edited to Add: On reflection, it is also wrong and lazy to ascribe the failure of the war in Vietnam to the media. In that the war, the media did its job and did it well. It was the political and military leadership that failed.
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Indeed LJ.
Robert Graves' 'The Greek Myths' is a good read. He reckons the patriarchal Abrahamic religions are a reaction to the previous (pre-historic) matriarchal religions. Each year the queen swapped her partner & killed off the last one, which kind of explains the subsequent repression of women from any leadership roles.
It will take a long time, but I don't think it should involve much of our money, and it isn't worth the bones of a single Pomeranian Grenadier.
Robert Graves' 'The Greek Myths' is a good read. He reckons the patriarchal Abrahamic religions are a reaction to the previous (pre-historic) matriarchal religions. Each year the queen swapped her partner & killed off the last one, which kind of explains the subsequent repression of women from any leadership roles.
It will take a long time, but I don't think it should involve much of our money, and it isn't worth the bones of a single Pomeranian Grenadier.
F3WMB - to coin a phrase from the Frogs "vive la egalite"
Egalitaranism is the way ahead and hopefully we'll see more of this as females are allowed to compete for British Army Infantry selection. Booties, Paras, Shakeys and Blades should be next. If you're good enough "you're in", if you're not, "you're out"; regardless of gender.
And let's not see anything of that 'postive discrimination' crap that we saw in the 90s for some female aircrew - fair selection, fair reward and taking the best should be equal.
LJ
Egalitaranism is the way ahead and hopefully we'll see more of this as females are allowed to compete for British Army Infantry selection. Booties, Paras, Shakeys and Blades should be next. If you're good enough "you're in", if you're not, "you're out"; regardless of gender.
And let's not see anything of that 'postive discrimination' crap that we saw in the 90s for some female aircrew - fair selection, fair reward and taking the best should be equal.
LJ
Nah, the Romans never really left - the Roman Empire fell as we know it and became the Holy Roman Empire (State Church Of The Roman Empire) over a period. There are many theories why the old Empire crumbled so fast - money, Visigoths, Barbarians, Christianity, overspending on the military or going bonkers due to lead poisoning (lead lined the aquaducts and wine vessels they drank from).
Anyway, the Holy Roman Empire made bigger in roads into Scotland and Ireland than the old Roman Empire ever did.
LJ
Anyway, the Holy Roman Empire made bigger in roads into Scotland and Ireland than the old Roman Empire ever did.
LJ
I just mean that the effect that they had on us is quite great - our alphabet, language, laws. They shaped Britain and other countries and eventually a renaissance did happen. Some of that was passed on again, second hand to still more places.
Their impact is still with us. So I think they were not defeated really and I think that the efforts made to staunch the wound that is e.g. Afghanistan are worth something and will have a lasting effect too. It doesn't mean that the outcome for Britain or the US will be ultimately desirable but in the same way that we can be somewhat glad the Romans existed and made an effort to civilise Britain, so will people in hundreds of years be glad that these two superpowers did their bit.
Their impact is still with us. So I think they were not defeated really and I think that the efforts made to staunch the wound that is e.g. Afghanistan are worth something and will have a lasting effect too. It doesn't mean that the outcome for Britain or the US will be ultimately desirable but in the same way that we can be somewhat glad the Romans existed and made an effort to civilise Britain, so will people in hundreds of years be glad that these two superpowers did their bit.
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I don't think Boudicca thought the Romans a particularly civilising influence after she was flogged and her daughters raped. About 80,000 took her point, or the points of the spears of her warriors to be exact.
Her statue stands outside the Houses of Parliament, whereas no Roman ones do.
Her statue stands outside the Houses of Parliament, whereas no Roman ones do.
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There was a time when the White Hart hat interesting entertainment, though!
What's wrong with a bit of banter? Or is it cool to be 'ever so serious' these days?
LJ
There was a time when the White Hart hat interesting entertainment, though!
What's wrong with a bit of banter? Or is it cool to be 'ever so serious' these days?
LJ
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The Americans certainly didn't win in Vietnam
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There's a simple reason for that, they are fighting a war of attrition, thats just a matter of holding out long enough for the other side to give in.
The west is a fast food, fast "x" society, as they say the west is weak, that is not a description of military strength.
The west is a fast food, fast "x" society, as they say the west is weak, that is not a description of military strength.
