Falklands defence review after military deal between Russia and Argentina
It ain't the US poking him in the eye with oil prices, it's the Saudis. They ended up poking no few Americans in the eye with it, along the way, as the local shale exploration boom has closed up lately.
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the Saudis are intent on proving to the BANKERS who invest in Shale oil that they should read the small print - the oil buiness knows the price goes up and down like .. (fill in inapropriate pharse here)........
Next time round the cost of investment will be significantly higher, which the Saudis like - plus it stops/slows the spread of fraccing elsewhere
then it's one in the eye for the Iranians as well
the colateral damage to Mr Putin and people like Venezuala is pure icing
and of course it reminds the White House just who are the US's "oldest friends" in the region -especially as they'll follow through with some large orders for airliners, military hardware and infrastructure
Next time round the cost of investment will be significantly higher, which the Saudis like - plus it stops/slows the spread of fraccing elsewhere
then it's one in the eye for the Iranians as well
the colateral damage to Mr Putin and people like Venezuala is pure icing
and of course it reminds the White House just who are the US's "oldest friends" in the region -especially as they'll follow through with some large orders for airliners, military hardware and infrastructure
Argentina and Israel resume Kfir sale talks
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And the money will come from???
Argentina and Israel have resumed negotiations covering the potential sale of 14 Israel Aerospace Industries Kfir Block 60 fighter aircraft, after the parties broke off talks following elections in the South American country in October 2015.
Up until that point, all indicators pointed to a likely contract signature in November.
The Block 60 aircraft, previously operated by the Israeli air force, are the latest upgraded version of the indigenous fighter that has been flying for 40 years.
It is powered by GE Aviation J79 engines and will carry an Elta 2032 active electronically scanned array radar and will have an open architecture to allow the customer to install other systems.
Kfir jets are in service with the air forces of Sri Lanka, Ecuador and Colombia.
Up until that point, all indicators pointed to a likely contract signature in November.
The Block 60 aircraft, previously operated by the Israeli air force, are the latest upgraded version of the indigenous fighter that has been flying for 40 years.
It is powered by GE Aviation J79 engines and will carry an Elta 2032 active electronically scanned array radar and will have an open architecture to allow the customer to install other systems.
Kfir jets are in service with the air forces of Sri Lanka, Ecuador and Colombia.
it seems unlikely that, given the number of 'deals' that various countries (not least the Israelis..) have done with Argentina over the years that have subsequently foundered, the Israelis have not ensured that the money does infact exist..
the Kfir airframe certainly is AAR capable, whether these particular examples are is another question - interesting of course that in another current purchace, the Argentine AF is buying a pair of KC-130's. its possible its a coincidence of course, and it may well come to pass that these aircraft won't be delivered with AAR, but i'm not sure i'd put much cash on it.
the Kfir airframe certainly is AAR capable, whether these particular examples are is another question - interesting of course that in another current purchace, the Argentine AF is buying a pair of KC-130's. its possible its a coincidence of course, and it may well come to pass that these aircraft won't be delivered with AAR, but i'm not sure i'd put much cash on it.
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I'd be interested to know if the new Govt have signed up for this -as they are desperately trying to get the books back in shape after the gross misspending of the Kirchner years.
The military may have said that they have to have SOMETHING and so the loose change in the bottom of the desk drawer has been scraped up and the only thing that is available at the price are some very old Kfirs - a 40 year old design based on a 65 year old design............
The military may have said that they have to have SOMETHING and so the loose change in the bottom of the desk drawer has been scraped up and the only thing that is available at the price are some very old Kfirs - a 40 year old design based on a 65 year old design............
the Kfir deal has been floating about for 3 or so years to my recollection, it may even pre-date the Spannish F1 deal that had actual Argenine pilots actually flying Spannish F1's in actual Spain - the suggested reason it fell through was that the French refused to grant the Spannish permission to sell them to Argentina.
the cynical might wonder if that was because the French had their own F1's they wanted to unload, or because the French did us a favour. the very cynical might wonder if it was both...
it seems, to me, very unlikely that the Israelis would continue with this merrygoround without being very sure that both the money, and the intent, was available - and i rather doubt this latest press release would have occured if the new government wasn't on board.
the cynical might wonder if that was because the French had their own F1's they wanted to unload, or because the French did us a favour. the very cynical might wonder if it was both...
it seems, to me, very unlikely that the Israelis would continue with this merrygoround without being very sure that both the money, and the intent, was available - and i rather doubt this latest press release would have occured if the new government wasn't on board.
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I think it was not serious back in 2014 about acquiring old Russian Su-24. A year later there were similar rumors about a similar deal with the Chinese that did not materialise either :
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/558226/China-Argentina-falkland-islands-fighter-jets
It looks like Argentina first has to define the goals. Why do they need tactical bombers or, more general, attack aircraft? To attack Falklands? Sounds not serious because a single Patriot battery will keep them pretty far away. Attack the ships as they did (with a certain success) back in 1982? In this case they first have to find (where to buy) modern anti-ship missiles since "good old" Exocets are now really outdated. Aircraft (if any) would then be considered only in the context of (capability of) carrying those missiles. And Kfirs do not carry anti-ship or cruise stuff, do they?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/558226/China-Argentina-falkland-islands-fighter-jets
It looks like Argentina first has to define the goals. Why do they need tactical bombers or, more general, attack aircraft? To attack Falklands? Sounds not serious because a single Patriot battery will keep them pretty far away. Attack the ships as they did (with a certain success) back in 1982? In this case they first have to find (where to buy) modern anti-ship missiles since "good old" Exocets are now really outdated. Aircraft (if any) would then be considered only in the context of (capability of) carrying those missiles. And Kfirs do not carry anti-ship or cruise stuff, do they?
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Peter we the Russians have much much more hardware and manpower that the UK so they can and will show their strengths.
Peter we the Russians have much much more hardware and manpower that the UK so they can and will show their strengths.
A big difference is that the UK is a member of NATO and does not just rely on its own military for defense. The UK can rely on the entire NATO defense structure. Russia on the other hand has few friends and essentially has to go it alone.
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NutLoose, is Argentina part of Russia? I did not know .... Keep joking, the guy you are quoting is perfectly right 
As for the topic, if Argentina manages to buy Russian anti-ship missiles (even with scaled down range to meet the international treaty) it would be a head-ache for UK, indeed.
As for the topic, if Argentina manages to buy Russian anti-ship missiles (even with scaled down range to meet the international treaty) it would be a head-ache for UK, indeed.
from recall the Argentines have mooted, signed, or back away from, deals over US F-16's, French Mirage 2000's, Kfirs, Spannish F1's, Brazilian Gripen, Russian SU-24, something Chinese, and now we're back to Kfir.
its certainly easy to say that if they've not bought anything yet then they aren't going to, but we know that the Spannish deal went a long way down the track, and we know that this is the second bite of the Kfir cherry - i fail to see why, given that track record, the Isrealis would even bother replying to emails if they weren't sure the money existed.
its certainly easy to say that if they've not bought anything yet then they aren't going to, but we know that the Spannish deal went a long way down the track, and we know that this is the second bite of the Kfir cherry - i fail to see why, given that track record, the Isrealis would even bother replying to emails if they weren't sure the money existed.
I see the Argies have sunk a Chinese fishing boat they allege was illegally fishing in their waters.
Argentina sinks Chinese fishing boat Lu Yan Yuan Yu 010 - BBC News
Could get interesting!
Argentina sinks Chinese fishing boat Lu Yan Yuan Yu 010 - BBC News
Could get interesting!
So did they sink them with the warning shots? Need to work on the targeting I think, or look up the definition of 'warning'.
And I guess that will be Argentina off Beijing Christmas card-yes of course we'll sell you cut price armaments list.
In the meantime, updated Kfirs versus Typhoons. Ooh, that's a tough one...
And I guess that will be Argentina off Beijing Christmas card-yes of course we'll sell you cut price armaments list.
In the meantime, updated Kfirs versus Typhoons. Ooh, that's a tough one...
In the meantime, updated Kfirs versus Typhoons. Ooh, that's a tough one...
it is - right up to the point where its 16 Kfirs vs 4 Typhoons, the Typhoons don't have a divert, and the Typhoons have to protect incoming cargo and passenger aircraft and ships that don't have SAM's.
how do four Typhoons cope with a co-ordinated action where SIGINT catches a deliberate sniff of a pair of Kfir and a tanker hanging around the approach route from ASI 500 miles north of MPA, another pair with a tanker are hanging around 100 miles SW of W Falkland, and then we see another pair, or even two pairs, bore in at 500kts on a direct heading from the NW?
how do four Typhoons cope with that our friends do it 4 days running?
how do four Typhoons cope with a co-ordinated action where SIGINT catches a deliberate sniff of a pair of Kfir and a tanker hanging around the approach route from ASI 500 miles north of MPA, another pair with a tanker are hanging around 100 miles SW of W Falkland, and then we see another pair, or even two pairs, bore in at 500kts on a direct heading from the NW?
how do four Typhoons cope with that our friends do it 4 days running?
how do four Typhoons cope with that our friends do it 4 days running?
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... coming soon to an air base near you. 
(My point there is that an SSN, appropriately equipped, can caus
e interruptions to your planned sorties)
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(My point there is that an SSN, appropriately equipped, can caus
e interruptions to your planned sorties).
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Why would you defend merchant shipping with an aircraft?
Far better to make the point that Argentinian shipping is far more vulnerable.....
This is a silly discussion. One of the things the Falkland war proved is that the Argentinians are one of the sadly limited number of countries who play rigidly to the rules and fight wars honourably. You think they are going to go off shooting down civvy airliners and shipping?
Far better to make the point that Argentinian shipping is far more vulnerable.....
This is a silly discussion. One of the things the Falkland war proved is that the Argentinians are one of the sadly limited number of countries who play rigidly to the rules and fight wars honourably. You think they are going to go off shooting down civvy airliners and shipping?
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Sorry for a stupid question, but is it really just a group of 4 Eurofighter aircraft there (I do not count Hercules and VC10)? Patriots seems to be an obvious complementary stuff that would fix potential holes in the defence perimeter.