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Loyalty to HMTQ? Possibly.
Loyalty to HMG? Possibly not.
I find it difficult to stir much fealty to either. My loyalty, first and foremost is to the people I work, live and fly with.
Loyalty to HMG? Possibly not.
I find it difficult to stir much fealty to either. My loyalty, first and foremost is to the people I work, live and fly with.
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Welll, count me in as a staunch Royalist too.
It was humbling last night to see the thanks given by those many hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people for her 50 year tenure.
Good luck and God Save the Queen.
It was humbling last night to see the thanks given by those many hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people for her 50 year tenure.
Good luck and God Save the Queen.
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BEagle,
I asked the question because the air forces policys over the past few years have changed rapidly. Compare the application forms a few years back to the ones now and youll see what I mean.
In amongst this mad drive for political correctness B*** S*** I wanted to know if attitiudes to the monarchy from new recruits let in under the new PC drive are negative as this would cause problems with the alliegence to the Queen used as a check to the democracy.
Further more a recient debate on news night called for the head of state to become an elected position.
Other news programmes have declared the Queen and Monarchy are 'out of touch' or have should have a reduced role.
The fact is I am seriously applying for the RAF. I have done lots of preparation and I have a family history in the RAF which I am very proud of. I wanted to know, so I asked and I am pleased to hear the replys.
I thought the concert at the palace yesterday was fantastic yesterday.
God Save the Queen.
Jack
I asked the question because the air forces policys over the past few years have changed rapidly. Compare the application forms a few years back to the ones now and youll see what I mean.
In amongst this mad drive for political correctness B*** S*** I wanted to know if attitiudes to the monarchy from new recruits let in under the new PC drive are negative as this would cause problems with the alliegence to the Queen used as a check to the democracy.
Further more a recient debate on news night called for the head of state to become an elected position.
Other news programmes have declared the Queen and Monarchy are 'out of touch' or have should have a reduced role.
The fact is I am seriously applying for the RAF. I have done lots of preparation and I have a family history in the RAF which I am very proud of. I wanted to know, so I asked and I am pleased to hear the replys.
I thought the concert at the palace yesterday was fantastic yesterday.
God Save the Queen.
Jack
Royalist, Loyalist, 19 years service to HMQ and Country and proud of it.
Loyal to Tony and his Cronies? I think not.
Just been watching the procession in The Mall, how it must gall the republicans that HMQ can still command such massive support from the silent majority.
I look forward to the Diamond Jubilee, at least the Reds already do a pretty good Diamond formation!!
Loyal to Tony and his Cronies? I think not.
Just been watching the procession in The Mall, how it must gall the republicans that HMQ can still command such massive support from the silent majority.
I look forward to the Diamond Jubilee, at least the Reds already do a pretty good Diamond formation!!
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Say what you like about our politicians (and most people do), but they do stick their heads on the block, so to speak, every five years. That's democracy.
With the exception of HM The Queen (who almost never puts a foot wrong), the arrogance of members of the Royal Family exceeds that of any Government minister.
With the exception of HM The Queen (who almost never puts a foot wrong), the arrogance of members of the Royal Family exceeds that of any Government minister.
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Did my 28 years in light blue. Best decision I ever made in my life was to join; the second best decision I made was to leave (even though I'm currently "in between jobs")!
Last night's spectacle of unbidden and unashamed affection for a most magnificent lady brought more than a tear to my eye.
As the rest of Britain's former might and traditions crumble into ineffectiveness and disrepute we have a single constant pillar of value to which common folk can still relate: HM The Queen. Why else would hundreds of thousands of ordinary people endure the expense and discomfort of London yesterday? Why else do many Commonwealth republics, both governments and citizens, still hold Her Majesty in awe and affection?
God bless you ma'am, the nation's view of you was aptly demonstrated this weekend.
P.S. Scud-u-like: T*sser (in spades).
Last night's spectacle of unbidden and unashamed affection for a most magnificent lady brought more than a tear to my eye.
As the rest of Britain's former might and traditions crumble into ineffectiveness and disrepute we have a single constant pillar of value to which common folk can still relate: HM The Queen. Why else would hundreds of thousands of ordinary people endure the expense and discomfort of London yesterday? Why else do many Commonwealth republics, both governments and citizens, still hold Her Majesty in awe and affection?
God bless you ma'am, the nation's view of you was aptly demonstrated this weekend.
P.S. Scud-u-like: T*sser (in spades).
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Would someone please reassure me that, at Mess dinners, the first toast is still "HM the Queen", and that we that we stand up for it, rather than remain sprawled in our chairs - unlike some other (unnamed) band of tossers? 
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Although I have now left the service, I look back on my time with in the military with pride. The commisions of those in the RN, RAF and Army are signed by HRH Queen Elizabeth II, not by the Prime Minister. 100% royalist here.
Also, my mother is German - several of our German relatives phoned over the weekend to say how wonderful the celebrations for HRH The Queen were and how great it was to see that we still have such pride and national identity. I think this speaks volumes for both our monarchy and the EU.
Also, my mother is German - several of our German relatives phoned over the weekend to say how wonderful the celebrations for HRH The Queen were and how great it was to see that we still have such pride and national identity. I think this speaks volumes for both our monarchy and the EU.
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Relative new boy, at only 6 years in, and a totally Loyal Subject. However, I for one do not think that being Royalist and pro- Europe (but not necisarily (er?) pro-U.S.E.) have to be mutually exclusive.
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Pollitican know there time is limited so they put all ten fingers and toes into every scam going to get away with as much as they can whilst they can. I recall a Mr Archer...
...As for putting there heads on the block thats an idea.
...As for putting there heads on the block thats an idea.
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This post is damn funny I find it hard to belive that people with your responsibility can belive in things like your oath to the queen nowadays.
Err which group of people over the previous 200 years. Industralised our country? Ensured Health & education for all? and lead us to be the greatest country on the planet in our heyday?
I can tell you that it wasn't the group complaining about poor arcticutre & who like corgies
I find it hard to belive that people with your responsibility can belive in things like your oath to the queen nowadays. Err which group of people over the previous 200 years. Industralised our country? Ensured Health & education for all? and lead us to be the greatest country on the planet in our heyday?
I can tell you that it wasn't the group complaining about poor arcticutre & who like corgies
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Remember - there are no such thing as civvies - just Servicemen waiting to join up.
Ever felt you don't belong & are a lone face looking in through a window at boys & girls having fun? In fact - were you picked on at school by a boy called Charles? Afraid of people with 'posh' accents? Ah - thought so. It is what the monarchy STANDS for - a focal point - oh never mind. Hope I get the chance to challenge you with a 'stop or I fire' some day.
Ever felt you don't belong & are a lone face looking in through a window at boys & girls having fun? In fact - were you picked on at school by a boy called Charles? Afraid of people with 'posh' accents? Ah - thought so. It is what the monarchy STANDS for - a focal point - oh never mind. Hope I get the chance to challenge you with a 'stop or I fire' some day.
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Mr Civilian,
perhaps you should be pleased that the people with such responsibility are so loyal to this country that they are prepared to risk/lose their lives in the name of the head of state.
Most politicians are loyal only to themselves. You sound like the sort of chap who couldn't achieve even that.
perhaps you should be pleased that the people with such responsibility are so loyal to this country that they are prepared to risk/lose their lives in the name of the head of state.
Most politicians are loyal only to themselves. You sound like the sort of chap who couldn't achieve even that.
Mr Civvie (or wind-up, whoever you are).
Our point is well beyond your reach. Our pledge to the monarch is a pledge to the country and not the government. We do (or did in my case) our job in the full knowledge that our country requires it for whatever reason.
The monarchy is the cornerstone of what we believe in. Gratitude, Respect and Pride are the things that have left an indelible mark on this jubilee, in HM the Queen's own words. Perhaps you may reflect on these 3 attributes as you seem to display none of them. I for one, am still 100% loyal to the Crown.... God Save The Queen!
Our point is well beyond your reach. Our pledge to the monarch is a pledge to the country and not the government. We do (or did in my case) our job in the full knowledge that our country requires it for whatever reason.
The monarchy is the cornerstone of what we believe in. Gratitude, Respect and Pride are the things that have left an indelible mark on this jubilee, in HM the Queen's own words. Perhaps you may reflect on these 3 attributes as you seem to display none of them. I for one, am still 100% loyal to the Crown.... God Save The Queen!
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Questioning the integrity of the monarchy is hardly a recent development. It has been going on since the institution itself was founded. The monarchy has survived because, throughout history, it has been prepared to change and develop (albeit, more often than not, under duress).
For what it's worth, I believe we are better off with a monarchy than we would be without one. That does not mean I or any of the 'common folk' (as 1.3VStall so quaintly terms us) should never question how the Monarchy works or indeed its raison detre.
It was rather ironic that Concorde (which, without the support of staunch republican and WW II RAF pilot, Tony Benn, would probably have bitten the dust at the R&D stage) formed the climax of the Queen's Golden Jubilee celebrations. How very British
For what it's worth, I believe we are better off with a monarchy than we would be without one. That does not mean I or any of the 'common folk' (as 1.3VStall so quaintly terms us) should never question how the Monarchy works or indeed its raison detre.
It was rather ironic that Concorde (which, without the support of staunch republican and WW II RAF pilot, Tony Benn, would probably have bitten the dust at the R&D stage) formed the climax of the Queen's Golden Jubilee celebrations. How very British
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My 2nd Jubilee in the proud and loyal service of Her Majesty (must admit I think this one was better run than the last). I would hope that a million people on the streets would be enough to quench the rabid rantings of the republicans but I doubt we've heard the last of them. Funny that those who want to ban the Monarchy and imprison foxhunters, also wish to leagalise drugs and free terrorists!
I do regret that after 25 years I no longer have the honour of signing out one of Her Majesty's aircraft and have to make do with Rentawreck from Plastic Pig PLC! Well, at least they're owned by the ROYAL Bank of Scotland.
I do regret that after 25 years I no longer have the honour of signing out one of Her Majesty's aircraft and have to make do with Rentawreck from Plastic Pig PLC! Well, at least they're owned by the ROYAL Bank of Scotland.
A historical moment: the Queen is not sovereign by divine right. but by Act of Parliament (the Act of Settlement, Bill of Rights etc). There is no reason to argue against her unless you have a good change to the constitution. Which we need - wouldn't you rather be citizens than subjects?