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Old 24th Nov 2014, 21:04
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Another thread dragged firmly into the past PN.

For what it's worth £14K for an item of sports equipment like this seems reasonable to me. As ever though, it's a perception and PR issue.

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Old 25th Nov 2014, 08:55
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It appears that the sim was bought as a replacement for the golf course (which has now closed) as it was too expensive to pay DIO to cut the grass and therefore not financially viable to keep it going or replace it with an outdoor driving range; still, never let the truth get in the way of a 'good story'. I expect more from the Sunday Times (but it is situation normal for the Mail).
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 10:04
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Pontius Navigator ... Bob Hassell sadly departed the fix in 2004 after an illustrious shooting career spanning 50 years. One of the 'greats' of shooting.

Others had to face those career choices too ... it's a sport that often requires large blocks of 'time off' for Olympics, Commonwealth Games, Overseas Tours and the like for those at the higher levels.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 10:14
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S-D, sorry if I offended, but I was drawing to attention both the prominence of sport 50 years ago and the relevance of golf to sport back then, and now

Sorry again if irrelevance offends.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 10:22
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Others had to face those career choices too ... it's a sport that often requires large blocks of 'time off' for Olympics, Commonwealth Games, Overseas Tours and the like for those at the higher levels.

Not forgetting the sacrifice made by other non-representative sportsmen in having to 'cover' for them where they form part of the established manning levels on units. Several times in my career I had the pleasure of covering the posts of both Inter-Service and potentially-Olympic sportsmen.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 10:51
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Over 23 years ago I was selected for a national team and took almost a year 'off' from normal duties (I was U/T at the time; ultimately my career in that Branch suffered as a result). Yet, even 5 years ago, fellow officers were still sneering - as did a certain Desk Officer - with comments like 'oh, he's the guy that spends all his time off doing sport'.

This came to a head about 10 years ago on a course at AWC where a fellow student was describing a work-dodging Antipodean, who spent his 'whole time' away from work'. I realised he was describing me - clearly he'd never met me but was happy to perpetuate the myth. I disabused him of his nonsense.

Why should anyone have to apologise for being selected to represent his country, especially with the full blessing of the CoC?
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Over the 20 years I faced the problem, I found my CoC generally content with my 3-4 week absences. One boss required me to give up 50% of the time from my leave allowance, otherwise I simply offered to go to the back of the queue for leave bids, work over Christmas/New Year [where applicable] and things like that.

I don't recall anyone complaining about what I was doing.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 14:13
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A friend played in the RAF table tennis team for most of his service. One story he tells is of the team captain, who was a Vulcan pilot. When an inter-service competition was held at Lossie/Kinloss? he flew there in a Vulcan, competed and stayed overnight whilst on a 'Nav ex.'!
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likewise, Strubby used to send a Varsity to Leuchars most weekends, on an airways cross-country for the Refresher Flying students. The back was usually full of golfers and golf clubs

However, they were always home in time for the 2nd wave on Monday, an therefore didn't need time off.

Whereas I used to peak at .... umm ... about 6 weeks a year off on 'Sports Duty' in UK or overseas Sorry!
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when my winter sports stuff started using more than 1 week a year in 'exped/sport time away from unit' I took leave instead and wrote "leave surrendered in order to attend Exercise XXX iaw JSP blah blah blah". The JSP quoted had been written exactly for such circumstances. AE Leader approved it as he knew it meant I'd get no more time away than anyone else and PEdO authorised it as I then remained covered 'on duty' for the event. Always surprised more didn't opt to do the same - cuts the resident sqn moaners off at the knees when you show them the leave app! Sadly, I think this option was withdrawn with the roll-out of JPA. Maybe it could be resurrected to level the (now virtual?) playing field. Of course, the other option is to just be jack and do as much sport time as poss
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 16:15
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Sandy Parts ... you hit the spot with that. Some activities HAD to be 'on duty'.

Although in theory trading Leave for 'Time Away on Duty' would have eaten my entire annual leave allowance

Bisley for Services and Nationals = 3 weeks
USA for International Service Matches = 3 weeks

Happy days back then. Life was much easier and more flexible than it seems to be these days.
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Happy days back then.
So it would seem.

Time off for representing the RAF, Command or one's Station was a given, in my experience. Sport was a close second to chasing women and quaffing pints of ale. Getting them to merge into one activity wasn't too difficult either! I recall that at Bisley the real excitement was in tents.
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I recall that at Bisley the real excitement was in tents.
It was in-tents-ly competitive for some, but I had a permanent mobile home on site
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