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Old 9th Dec 2014, 15:29
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Having experienced both KenV, I'm happy to report that they most surely are. The A400M's seat is more of a hammock that envelops and supports its occupant, which when set against the C-17's offering is the lap of luxury.
Interesting. The "enveloping hammock" design would not have met C-17 requirements. Such an "envelope" would stretch too much to meet requirements when under a crash load with a 400 lb trooper (400 lbs would include all the equipment strapped to the trooper's body). And at 1G such a design would also make it near impossible for a 400lb trooper to get up out of the seat unassisted to hook up and shuffle out the troop door. Clearly, there are big differences in the C-17's troop seat design requirements vs the A400, as well as big differences in their cargo transport requirements.

I really don't know what they were thinking when they designed the C-17 seating, but the heavy-bar frame was murder on the underside of my thighs the last time I had the pleasure.
The C-17 sidewall (and centerline) seats are designed for a 400 lb paratrooper and the crash load G requirement (Can't remember if that was 6G or 9G). The C-17 seat bottom also adjusts in and out ward from the sidewall to accomodate a trooper without a parachute on his back or a trooper with a parachute.
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The C-17 seat bottom also adjusts in and out ward from the sidewall to accomodate a trooper without a parachute on his back or a trooper with a parachute.
Now you tell me...!
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Now you tell me...!
The loadmaster nor anyone else on board told you? Shame on them.
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Old 9th Dec 2014, 19:41
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The loadmaster nor anyone else on board told you? Shame on them.
I rather suspect that the US loadmaster enjoyed watching the Limey journalist suffer ;-)
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Well, if you ever get another ride on a C-17, here's the adjustment procedure:

Lower the seat to the horizontal position. Then lift it up half way to about a 45 degree angle. Pull out (or push in depending on which way you want the seat) on the seat bottom and then lower the seat to the horizontal position. It's simple, but you have to know about it to adjust it.
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Boeing fixes KC-46 wiring issues, sets first flight for spring 2015

So is everybody happy now?

From Flight Global:-

The first prototype of Boeing’s KC-46 aerial refueling tanker has been rewired to meet US Air Force standards and is being prepared for its first flight sometime in late spring 2015, the companies chief operating officer says.

“We’re doing final prep for first flight on tanker,” Dennis Muilenburg, Boeing’s president and COO, says on 3 December at the Credit Suisse Global Industrials Conference in Chicago. “We are feeling very good about where that program is at now that we’ve got some of those technical issues behind us. Now we’ll focus on executing the flight test program under development and then getting the programme into production.”

Boeing earlier this year alerted the air force to “anomalies” in the aircraft’s wiring, which is required to be triple redundant to meet military and US Federal Aviation Administration specifications.

The company launched a wiring audit that found about 5% of the aircraft’s 98,000 wiring bundles were installed too close to redundant counterparts. The first four engineering and manufacturing development aircraft had to be rewired before they could roll off the production line.

“Those have now been resolved and closed out,” he says. “That airplane is done. We completed factory functional test. That airplane has now rolled out of the factory.”
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Old 17th Dec 2014, 17:31
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December 27 according to aviation week:

USAF Tanker Platform Slated For Year-end Debut | Defense content from Aviation Week
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First flight of the 767-2C, the civil basis for the military KC-46 will be in late December. First flight of EMD-2, the first mission configured KC-46, is scheduled for April of next year.
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I can confirm what KenV posted - 767-2C first flight should happen the week after Christmas, the first KC-46 configured airplane first flight in April.
I was on the first 767-2C last week for initial engine runs. Very interesting interior layout - it has what appears to be the 'standard' 767-200 passenger door configuration (left and right regular doors in the front and rear, and one overwing exit on each side), plus a big main deck cargo door. I was curious about the floor configuration (e.g. cargo handling provisions) but with all the flight test instrumentation racks, water barrels, etc. it was hard to tell much.
Flight deck is also a pretty standard 'passenger' layout - 767 built as freighters typically have a larger flight deck with more jump seats and the galley/lav, then a bulkhead barrier with a door to the cargo area.
Lots and lots of extra bumps, blisters, lights, etc. on the exterior. Some obviously related to the AR mission, others not so much.
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The palatalized seat are awful. The jump seats suck as well, but if you're relying on jump seats that means there's options to lay out your sleeping bag! Seriously I'd rather fly across the oceans in a C-17 laying on the floor sleeping soundly in my sleeping bag than any other mode of cross continent travel. The troops don't want seats, they want open cargo floor space; at least I do.
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Pick a name lol

Anyone want to choose what it will be called?

Cheers and Happy New Year

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A month ago it was announced that the intended name will be 'Phoenix'.
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From Webster's:
phoenix Egypt. Myth, a bird which lived for 500 years and then consumed itself in fire
And people criticize the Pegasus name for the 767-2C/KC-46?

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well "Lightning " for the F-35 is a bit of a misnomer -

but I guess "Giant Tortoise " doesn't have much of a ring to it
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....or Stella
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more blurb

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Oh dear....

I see the New Years resolution of peace & goodwill didn't last long............

Tin hats on lads 'n lasses - incomimg fire from Seattle..............
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