Can anyone tell me why Typhoon93 is banned please?
TBH, one thing on this forum that was slightly concerning was the instigator of the Vincennes thread. He came across as ummm aggressive and seemed to get worse as logical explanations were given by all of us and one could not reason with said chap who introduced himself as an academic researcher...post grad that was. Judging by his introductions and wording sounded like a foreign student.....
Another slightly unnerving thing from personal experience of late for the above, was a friend of a friend (whom unfortunately I went to school with in another century) is a bit a of a loudmoth and has made his money in the IT sector. Anyway in earshot I heard him ranting on about the USA being hypocrites after slamming those who shot down MH370. His basis of the argument was about the Vincennes incident and in his narrow minded view he saw the US to be perpetrators and had no right to criticise who shot down the Malaysian jet. I got fed up of hearing his voice and stupid analysis. I tried to intervene in argument and explain the ins/outs from my expertise of working in aviation and he kind of shut up or was told to by other people. One of his friends, this Japanese student seemed interested in what I was saying however I gathered she was not technical au fait as she was here doing a proper degree and her English was good but also I think she is a jump-on-the-bandwagon-naivety amongst the other listeners in the group. Anyway I was half tempted to put him on the spotlight and ask if this reaction would really help the relatives get over their grief, and seek justice or threaten put him on a plane to Netherlands and Australia to spread his BS and see what reaction he would get
cheers and have a good weekend
Another slightly unnerving thing from personal experience of late for the above, was a friend of a friend (whom unfortunately I went to school with in another century) is a bit a of a loudmoth and has made his money in the IT sector. Anyway in earshot I heard him ranting on about the USA being hypocrites after slamming those who shot down MH370. His basis of the argument was about the Vincennes incident and in his narrow minded view he saw the US to be perpetrators and had no right to criticise who shot down the Malaysian jet. I got fed up of hearing his voice and stupid analysis. I tried to intervene in argument and explain the ins/outs from my expertise of working in aviation and he kind of shut up or was told to by other people. One of his friends, this Japanese student seemed interested in what I was saying however I gathered she was not technical au fait as she was here doing a proper degree and her English was good but also I think she is a jump-on-the-bandwagon-naivety amongst the other listeners in the group. Anyway I was half tempted to put him on the spotlight and ask if this reaction would really help the relatives get over their grief, and seek justice or threaten put him on a plane to Netherlands and Australia to spread his BS and see what reaction he would get
cheers and have a good weekend
Christ guys what a reaction! Are we that paranoid.
I am sure nk/Iran/China/Russia etc etc have better sources of info than a forum of old lags like this. Usually hacking bae, lm or Boeing.
Bugger me the frankentanker thread could be and probably is a rich veinof information but no one is baying for bans. this is a public forum it is not secure and if you reply to a stupid question you only have yourself to blame for the consequences when bead window, chrome claw and opsec are questioned and black omega or Chevy surburbans pull up outside your condo, house or cardboard box.
He seemed keen and tried to be respectful. I think that's another guy who think aircrew are prima Donna close shop what Evers. If you have this viceral reaction to the kids posts I suggest you leave this place and keep your counsel to the mess or crew room.
When I was done I thought I left this **** behind, I have now this is my last post
Toodles and catch you on the flip side
I am sure nk/Iran/China/Russia etc etc have better sources of info than a forum of old lags like this. Usually hacking bae, lm or Boeing.
Bugger me the frankentanker thread could be and probably is a rich veinof information but no one is baying for bans. this is a public forum it is not secure and if you reply to a stupid question you only have yourself to blame for the consequences when bead window, chrome claw and opsec are questioned and black omega or Chevy surburbans pull up outside your condo, house or cardboard box.
He seemed keen and tried to be respectful. I think that's another guy who think aircrew are prima Donna close shop what Evers. If you have this viceral reaction to the kids posts I suggest you leave this place and keep your counsel to the mess or crew room.
When I was done I thought I left this **** behind, I have now this is my last post
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Originally Posted by [URL="http://www.pprune.org/members/15591-leon-jabachjabicz
Leon Jabachjabicz[/URL]"]Here are some more 'innocent' Qs he asked...
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Engines, roughly how many Gs can the F-35 pull?
Is it different for each variant?
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Any info on that Typhoon? What caused that? Just out of curiosity.
Is that a live weapon on the pylon? I would have sh*t myself!
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Arrestor cables and catapults.
I've read that these new carriers are certainly capable of being converted for CTOL aircraft, but will they be?
I understand UAV's are a possible reason for conversion, however I mean for manned fast jets.
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My best mate was there earlier this year working and he got a ride in one of the Subaru's down the runway to bring one of the U-2's in. He got to try space food as well.
Apparently the Yanks have got an awesome badge on their flying suits - a picture of Snoopy with "Still not here after 40 years" written under it. LOL
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...what happens if the aircrew of the target aircraft have lost all radio contact and can't receive the orders of the intercepting pilot? What would happen then? Would the pilot be forced to engage if the a/c continued on its course?
This took me 5 minutes to find, can you see how his little innocent Qs could lead to someone spilling something they shouldn't? He could be a journo or someone sitting in a North Korean uniform - or of course he could be someone with a very odd thirst for knowledge.
LJ
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Engines, roughly how many Gs can the F-35 pull?
Is it different for each variant?
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Any info on that Typhoon? What caused that? Just out of curiosity.
Is that a live weapon on the pylon? I would have sh*t myself!
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Arrestor cables and catapults.
I've read that these new carriers are certainly capable of being converted for CTOL aircraft, but will they be?
I understand UAV's are a possible reason for conversion, however I mean for manned fast jets.
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My best mate was there earlier this year working and he got a ride in one of the Subaru's down the runway to bring one of the U-2's in. He got to try space food as well.
Apparently the Yanks have got an awesome badge on their flying suits - a picture of Snoopy with "Still not here after 40 years" written under it. LOL
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...what happens if the aircrew of the target aircraft have lost all radio contact and can't receive the orders of the intercepting pilot? What would happen then? Would the pilot be forced to engage if the a/c continued on its course?
This took me 5 minutes to find, can you see how his little innocent Qs could lead to someone spilling something they shouldn't? He could be a journo or someone sitting in a North Korean uniform - or of course he could be someone with a very odd thirst for knowledge.
LJ
Why is it ONLY T93 that has been jumped on for asking these?
Incidentally, the airframe contracted design max G-ratings of the F-35 variants has been public knowledge for years:
F-35A 9G, F-35B 7G, F-35C 7.33G
Compared to the 9G of the F-16 and the 7.5G of the AV-8B and all F/A-18 variants.
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Ref your post #85
Maybe it's because T93 said he wasn't military (on an anonymous forum).
Oddly though, many of the greatest or most treacherous betrayals have come from insiders, whatever side they are on. Of course none of us should be surprised at that as outsiders don't have the sensitive info to give out generally
This is the internet after all and odd things happen. Oleg Gordievsky spilled the beans and we like him as it had a massive effect on the Cold War.
Another chap spills the beans to wiki leaks and he's a baddy as it was our secrets this time
Then there is the 'doesn't matter as it's among friends' stuff like the Mull Chinook thread where an adversary could learn just about every control setting, display, nut or bolt (or lack of) in the RAF chinook cockpit
This is an anonymous forum and anyone could be good or bad (in most cases)
For all any of us know this forum may contain one of the worlds best 'North of England accent' impressionist.............you would never know by simply reading the texts in the threads
Maybe T93 was A North Korean dictator, but maybe not. But, look on the bright side of things. I may have found out why the RAF don't bother to stand near their aircraft at a local air show now, I don't need to know anything about them
Oh well, the Royal Navy, the the French, Italians, Germans and Dutch were happy to talk to the general public and answer questions, so it still makes for a good day out.
Ref your post #85
Maybe it's because T93 said he wasn't military (on an anonymous forum).
Oddly though, many of the greatest or most treacherous betrayals have come from insiders, whatever side they are on. Of course none of us should be surprised at that as outsiders don't have the sensitive info to give out generally
This is the internet after all and odd things happen. Oleg Gordievsky spilled the beans and we like him as it had a massive effect on the Cold War.
Another chap spills the beans to wiki leaks and he's a baddy as it was our secrets this time
Then there is the 'doesn't matter as it's among friends' stuff like the Mull Chinook thread where an adversary could learn just about every control setting, display, nut or bolt (or lack of) in the RAF chinook cockpit
This is an anonymous forum and anyone could be good or bad (in most cases)
For all any of us know this forum may contain one of the worlds best 'North of England accent' impressionist.............you would never know by simply reading the texts in the threads
Maybe T93 was A North Korean dictator, but maybe not. But, look on the bright side of things. I may have found out why the RAF don't bother to stand near their aircraft at a local air show now, I don't need to know anything about them
Oh well, the Royal Navy, the the French, Italians, Germans and Dutch were happy to talk to the general public and answer questions, so it still makes for a good day out.
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T93 doesn't have to be a North Korean dictator himself. But ANYONE else can read the answers on current capability, ops and deployments for themselves, without logging in. Or overhear someone talk about it.
There are plenty of "fan boy" sites for kids where he can hang out.
This is for "professional" rumours...
This is for "professional" rumours...
Not saying thats wrong btw, simply an observation from someone still in.
This is proving to be an interesting discussion about open source material/Open source Intelligence,social media and a chasm between the 'need to know' and the 'want to share' generation.
Perhaps, because of T93's apparent naivety, posters happily gave him information and opinions on a whole raft of military aviation matters. Yes, it seems that most of the information that he (?) sought, such as G rating for particular airframes &c, is available open source, however professional opinions based, frankly, on centuries of combined experience by senior aircrew on this site, is not. Added to that, how many posters actually ask detailed information about current operations and equipment? Most queries seem to be about time-to-height of the Lightning/Phantom/Mosquito, or the 'vapour pressure in the third stage thrunge flange compressor of the Varley 'Panjandrum' MkVII'. Perhaps I exaggerate.
Facts, by themselves, do not equate to intelligence. Facts have to have the 'so what?' test applied to them. Opinions, intent, evaluations, context and assessment is what gives intelligence - both OS and classified - meaning.
I'm probably as guilty as most here for falling for the 'big puppy-dog' eyes persona that T93 cultivated; we felt sorry that he was unlikely to achieve his boy-hood fantasy of flying fast jets (mind, nor did I!). But again, probably just harmless. Just saying...
Perhaps, because of T93's apparent naivety, posters happily gave him information and opinions on a whole raft of military aviation matters. Yes, it seems that most of the information that he (?) sought, such as G rating for particular airframes &c, is available open source, however professional opinions based, frankly, on centuries of combined experience by senior aircrew on this site, is not. Added to that, how many posters actually ask detailed information about current operations and equipment? Most queries seem to be about time-to-height of the Lightning/Phantom/Mosquito, or the 'vapour pressure in the third stage thrunge flange compressor of the Varley 'Panjandrum' MkVII'. Perhaps I exaggerate.
Facts, by themselves, do not equate to intelligence. Facts have to have the 'so what?' test applied to them. Opinions, intent, evaluations, context and assessment is what gives intelligence - both OS and classified - meaning.
I'm probably as guilty as most here for falling for the 'big puppy-dog' eyes persona that T93 cultivated; we felt sorry that he was unlikely to achieve his boy-hood fantasy of flying fast jets (mind, nor did I!). But again, probably just harmless. Just saying...
Just about 4 or 5 years ago there was a chap who used to post on UKAR under the stage name "Air Typhoon" his age was published as 17 at that time. He was also picked up for starting threads and posting comments which were deemed to be vacuous. However, he wasn't targeted with anything like the clubbing Tiffy 93 has had on here. I imagine he is exactly who he claimed to be, many of his posts sincerely portrayed a young man or woman of thevery age group he claimed to belong to rather than someone based in Russia, China or North Korea trying to gain an intelligence advantage over the vast unstoppable and inpenetrable resources of H.M. Forces.
The way he expressed himself really said it all! Remember the question about pilots' aircrews' human rights, on the F-35 cancellation thread I believe. That said it all for me. Just a young person who's head has been filled with all the nonense and manner of the present age, but longing to escape it and become someone quite different hence his idolization of Courtney and Beagle etc.
And that folks concludes FB's psychiatric report!
FB
The way he expressed himself really said it all! Remember the question about pilots' aircrews' human rights, on the F-35 cancellation thread I believe. That said it all for me. Just a young person who's head has been filled with all the nonense and manner of the present age, but longing to escape it and become someone quite different hence his idolization of Courtney and Beagle etc.
And that folks concludes FB's psychiatric report!
FB
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
WUH, quite. I was given clearance to publish something 8 years ago though I was Not cleared to say I had been cleared, go figure. The article was subsequently published in a journal.
This year, with substantially the same information, slightly expanded in content but halved overall, permission was denied even though it was 45 years ago.
This year, with substantially the same information, slightly expanded in content but halved overall, permission was denied even though it was 45 years ago.
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Personally, I don't think he/it is a spy.
I just think he/it is profoundly irritating and I'm glad he's gone.
Those who cry "bully" need to get a life.
Bullying can be serious and unpleasant as anyone who has been bullied or witnessed bullying can testify.
The thing that makes it so unpleasant is the inability of the victim to affect his or her situation or avoid their tormentors.
The child at school has to face the bully's every day, ditto an adult in the workplace etc. They have to turn up and face their pain with no way out and start to dread each day.
On pprune military forum(a place where T93 has no business being) T93 can stop the "bullying" in a instant by various means.
He can just never visit. There are a million other forums more suitable.
He can start again an unlimited number of times with a new pseudonym until he comes across as less of an irritation.
At worst I/we are being unpleasant d1cks to the kid. He chooses to come back for more.
Bullying it ain't.
I just think he/it is profoundly irritating and I'm glad he's gone.
Those who cry "bully" need to get a life.
Bullying can be serious and unpleasant as anyone who has been bullied or witnessed bullying can testify.
The thing that makes it so unpleasant is the inability of the victim to affect his or her situation or avoid their tormentors.
The child at school has to face the bully's every day, ditto an adult in the workplace etc. They have to turn up and face their pain with no way out and start to dread each day.
On pprune military forum(a place where T93 has no business being) T93 can stop the "bullying" in a instant by various means.
He can just never visit. There are a million other forums more suitable.
He can start again an unlimited number of times with a new pseudonym until he comes across as less of an irritation.
At worst I/we are being unpleasant d1cks to the kid. He chooses to come back for more.
Bullying it ain't.
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I opined that he doesn't need to know
For several of you here who rant on that all the numbers have long since been published, can you put your hand on your heart and say they are the actual numbers? No? Thought not. What has been seen on PPRuNe are the released numbers, just an outside chance that a pilot, (possibly 'in his cups'), might post other numbers, it is all grist to the mill. The assumption that if it is either on the RAF website or here on PPRuNe makes it correct is naïve in the extreme, equally the bland assumption that if other people are talking or writing about it then it must be OK shows a total lack of understanding of intelligence gathering.
Intelligence gathering is a very painstaking exercise and several here appear to know nothing about it, jumping easily to conclusions and assumptions, that makes you ideal material for the gatherers, collators and analysts.
For all we know T93 may have received warnings from the Mods and ignored them, possibly the Mods were asked to shut him down, not necessarily because of what he was saying/asking but because someone was providing answers that would best be left unpublicised on a world wide public forum.
I personally doubt that T93 was shut down simply because he was being a waste of bandwith
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The irony is that this thread, regarding his banning is longer than the one that led to his banning. On that thread he made just 3 posts.
1, welcoming home 31 Sqdn. 2, are they all home now? and 3 admitting he really didn't need to know.
He has been described as anything from a 'wannabe' to possibly a N. Korean spy!
I can't help thinking that he has created a sense of paranoia among some posters
Whatever he was/is he certainly ruffled a few feathers and created some serious discussions re. security.
1, welcoming home 31 Sqdn. 2, are they all home now? and 3 admitting he really didn't need to know.
He has been described as anything from a 'wannabe' to possibly a N. Korean spy!
I can't help thinking that he has created a sense of paranoia among some posters
Whatever he was/is he certainly ruffled a few feathers and created some serious discussions re. security.
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LJ, thanks for that summary of T93's posting, made me laugh out loud.
IMO it's unlikely T93 is a threat to national security, but nevertheless probably best all round if he takes a breather.
By the way does anyone know what the IR signature of an F-22 is versus Typhoon (just curious that's all). Ho, ho, ho
IMO it's unlikely T93 is a threat to national security, but nevertheless probably best all round if he takes a breather.
By the way does anyone know what the IR signature of an F-22 is versus Typhoon (just curious that's all). Ho, ho, ho
Parabellum,
I couldn't agree with you more. One just needs to see the army of posters who infest the comments columns of western media casting invideous doubt on Russia's behaviour in Crimea, Ukraine, MH 17 ad nauseum, making otherwise rational people account for Russia's behaviour as a result of 'NATO & EU'aggression. Now I'm not saying that T93 is one of these characters, but this discussion does highlight how malfeasance can take place on forums.
I couldn't agree with you more. One just needs to see the army of posters who infest the comments columns of western media casting invideous doubt on Russia's behaviour in Crimea, Ukraine, MH 17 ad nauseum, making otherwise rational people account for Russia's behaviour as a result of 'NATO & EU'aggression. Now I'm not saying that T93 is one of these characters, but this discussion does highlight how malfeasance can take place on forums.
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The summary seems to be (ignoring the N Korean angle for a moment) wannabe joins forum he probably shouldn't but where he would almost certainly be tolerated in small, measured doses. He gets a bit carried away, probably with the best of intentions and misses the hints (some of them heavy handed and potentially a little unkind) until the moderators make it a bit clearer to him.
If you are reading this Typhoon93, I do hope you hold on to your ambition and enthusiasm as you search for your role in the future - if that isn't the RAF (and none on here are qualified to judge on the evidence provided) you will do well to apply the enthusiasm you have towards being a pilot to whatever that might be.
For what its worth I personally found your posts a bit annoying, especially the frequency, on a forum I visit to catch up with those with a similar background. Equally, you would do well to remember the views on pprune are not typical of what you would hear from a bunch of pilots in training or on their first tour. Do visit, LISTEN and learn - but do remember a pinch of salt here and there.
If you are reading this Typhoon93, I do hope you hold on to your ambition and enthusiasm as you search for your role in the future - if that isn't the RAF (and none on here are qualified to judge on the evidence provided) you will do well to apply the enthusiasm you have towards being a pilot to whatever that might be.
For what its worth I personally found your posts a bit annoying, especially the frequency, on a forum I visit to catch up with those with a similar background. Equally, you would do well to remember the views on pprune are not typical of what you would hear from a bunch of pilots in training or on their first tour. Do visit, LISTEN and learn - but do remember a pinch of salt here and there.