Grrrrr some people want jailing and the keys throwing away
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Escom is bankrupt, and has been run on a shoe string for many years and since 1994, when it generated enough power to supply not only our own needs but also that of neighbouring countries, the ANC have allowed it to become a national embarrassment.
South Africa is facing a serious energy supply crisis which today's event has thrown into sharp focus.
South Africa is facing a serious energy supply crisis which today's event has thrown into sharp focus.
Hope the youngster soon recovers, and no long term psychological damage. Also hope perpetrator is found and dealt with as severely as the law allows. If he subsequently meets with an accident, guess whose "will" it would be
If only... .
TTN, as far as I'm aware, the other groups you mention don't go out of their way to attack anybody even remotely related to the Military.
That said, I do hope that black or Asian, Muslim or otherwise, they catch the scrote soon.
I don't hate them all, I just dislike those that don't want to integrate with UK society, customs and culture and want to bring little-Mungostan with them and set it up front and centre. I have some very good mates who's parents do not hail from the UK - guess what? They have integrated fully with the customs and culture of this country; including wearing a poppy and not torching a young lad from one of the UK's biggest youth organisations!
I'm pretty sure that if I conducted an attrocity of this magnitude in another country where this type of radical behaviour has 'sprung' from (see what I did there?), then I suspect at the very least I would be enjoying a stretch 'Midnight Express' stylee.
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I'm pretty sure that if I conducted an attrocity of this magnitude in another country where this type of radical behaviour has 'sprung' from (see what I did there?), then I suspect at the very least I would be enjoying a stretch 'Midnight Express' stylee.
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TTN, I understand your point and I agree... although after what has been happening over the last 18 months, I am very suspicious of anybody who targets those who have ties with the military.
While I wasn't around during the worst of The Troubles, I do have an interest in military history and the attacks that have happened are quite similar in nature to those made by the IRA. Whether or not they were more or less brutal is open for debate, although I don't think said debate is appropriate on this thread so I will leave it there.
Any country who has been involved in Afghan and Iraq would be stupid to let their guard down on their streets, IMHO.
While I wasn't around during the worst of The Troubles, I do have an interest in military history and the attacks that have happened are quite similar in nature to those made by the IRA. Whether or not they were more or less brutal is open for debate, although I don't think said debate is appropriate on this thread so I will leave it there.
Any country who has been involved in Afghan and Iraq would be stupid to let their guard down on their streets, IMHO.
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In this part of the world the likely punishment would be like for like. I'm not saying 2 wrongs make a right but I can't help thinking how would that evil little scrote like the same treatment.
In this part of the world the likely punishment would be like for like. I'm not saying 2 wrongs make a right but I can't help thinking how would that evil little scrote like the same treatment.
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Despicable though the attack was, you might want to ask whose not so bright idea it was to have the cadet selling poppies at 18.00 hrs, in the dark, albeit the area is well lit and generally busy.
The area is extensively covered with CCTV....as is the whole of the City centre, so hopefully there will be sufficient footage to track his movements thereafter.
That, and the fact that, to many on here and without a shred of evidence so far, the description of the attacker being black or Asian automatically implies he was a radical of some sort.
There are plenty of people in the UK who just don't like military personnel full stop and without having any form of religious influence as to their reasons why.
The area is extensively covered with CCTV....as is the whole of the City centre, so hopefully there will be sufficient footage to track his movements thereafter.
That, and the fact that, to many on here and without a shred of evidence so far, the description of the attacker being black or Asian automatically implies he was a radical of some sort.
There are plenty of people in the UK who just don't like military personnel full stop and without having any form of religious influence as to their reasons why.
Despicable though the attack was, you might want to ask whose not so bright idea it was to have the cadet selling poppies at 18.00 hrs, in the dark, albeit the area is well lit and generally busy.
Having 15 year olds out at 1800hrs should not invoke any cries of "what were they thinking?", whatsoever IMHO.
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Actually, the relevant offence to charge might be the more rarely used Section 29 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861 (my emphasis added):
29. Using explosives or corrosives with intent to do grievous bodily harm
Whosoever shall unlawfully and maliciously cause any gunpowder or other explosive substance to explode, or send or deliver to, or cause to be taken or received by any person, any explosive substance or any other dangerous or noxious thing, or put or lay at any place, or cast or throw at or upon or otherwise apply to any person, any corrosive fluid or any destructive or explosive substance, with intent in any of the cases aforesaid to burn, maim, disfigure, or disable any person, or to do some grievous bodily harm to any person shall, whether any bodily injury be effected or not, be guilty of an offence, and being convicted thereof shall be liable, at the discretion of the court, to imprisonment for life… .
Two significant points about this:
1. Unlike the more commonly used offences of Assault/ABH/GBH this is a 'conduct' crime rather than a 'result' crime, so the fact that the victim was not seriously injured does not affect the applicability of s.29.
2. The Terrorism Act 2006 makes reference to s.29 OAPA 1861, so it is still seen as a specific chargeable offence and is deemed to be of a terrorist nature.
29. Using explosives or corrosives with intent to do grievous bodily harm
Whosoever shall unlawfully and maliciously cause any gunpowder or other explosive substance to explode, or send or deliver to, or cause to be taken or received by any person, any explosive substance or any other dangerous or noxious thing, or put or lay at any place, or cast or throw at or upon or otherwise apply to any person, any corrosive fluid or any destructive or explosive substance, with intent in any of the cases aforesaid to burn, maim, disfigure, or disable any person, or to do some grievous bodily harm to any person shall, whether any bodily injury be effected or not, be guilty of an offence, and being convicted thereof shall be liable, at the discretion of the court, to imprisonment for life… .
Two significant points about this:
1. Unlike the more commonly used offences of Assault/ABH/GBH this is a 'conduct' crime rather than a 'result' crime, so the fact that the victim was not seriously injured does not affect the applicability of s.29.
2. The Terrorism Act 2006 makes reference to s.29 OAPA 1861, so it is still seen as a specific chargeable offence and is deemed to be of a terrorist nature.
Hangarshuffle: "UK has been involved in fighting with and killing muslims in so many places over the last 20 I've now lost count,so are people really surprised if we were on the receiving end of some sort of savage retribution, justified or not?"
How could you write this stuff, straight out of radical Islamic propagation DVDs??? It is the first and biggest mistaken perception by radicalized recruits, which they use to justify everything that they are subsequently encouraged to perpetrate.
The West does not kill Muslims. The West does not hate Muslims. These are concepts which are trotted out, but have no basis in reality. On an individual level perhaps. The West has/have often gone out of their way to help Muslim communities.
To rewrite your sentence if I may, the UK's armed forces, (which contain many Muslims), have been involved in fighting baddies, ie those who violate international norms of civilized behaviour (some of whom are Muslims, maybe, although not according to some other Muslims, and some of whom are not), in many places.
Any of us who lose sight of this are asking for serious trouble.
How could you write this stuff, straight out of radical Islamic propagation DVDs??? It is the first and biggest mistaken perception by radicalized recruits, which they use to justify everything that they are subsequently encouraged to perpetrate.
The West does not kill Muslims. The West does not hate Muslims. These are concepts which are trotted out, but have no basis in reality. On an individual level perhaps. The West has/have often gone out of their way to help Muslim communities.
To rewrite your sentence if I may, the UK's armed forces, (which contain many Muslims), have been involved in fighting baddies, ie those who violate international norms of civilized behaviour (some of whom are Muslims, maybe, although not according to some other Muslims, and some of whom are not), in many places.
Any of us who lose sight of this are asking for serious trouble.
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Cadets are all weapon trained. Issue them a Browning and let them fight back.
(No, it's not a serious answer).
The perpetrator needs to be caught, and quietly locked up for a very long time. No great publicity, just lock him up and put the key out of reach for a while.
(No, it's not a serious answer).
The perpetrator needs to be caught, and quietly locked up for a very long time. No great publicity, just lock him up and put the key out of reach for a while.
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Sadly not a solitary attack.
BBC News - Army cadet poppy seller threat: Derbyshire man charged
BBC News - Army cadet poppy seller threat: Derbyshire man charged
The Army cadet was selling poppies for the Royal British Legion outside a supermarket in Belper, Derbyshire, when Adelso Saws allegedly made threats.
Police have charged the 34-year-old of Kilburn, Derbyshire, with using threatening, abusive, insulting words or behaviour with intent to cause fear of or provoking violence.
Police have charged the 34-year-old of Kilburn, Derbyshire, with using threatening, abusive, insulting words or behaviour with intent to cause fear of or provoking violence.
Saws, 24, was jailed for a total of ten-and-a-half-years after pleading guilty to robbery and having an imitation firearm. He was also sentenced to a further year's jail, to run consecutively, after the court heard he had been released early from a five-year sentence for affray.
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You might want to ask yourself what type of country we live in when a 15 year old boy cannot stand in the uniform of the UK's biggest youth organisation, whilst selling poppies for a very large charity in one of our biggest cities, without having to live in fear of being torched!!!
Having 15 year olds out at 1800hrs should not invoke any cries of "what were they thinking?", whatsoever IMHO.
I know exactly what sort of a country we live in. Random and unprovoked theft, and attacks, are a feature of our society and have been for centuries.
The fact the cadet was in uniform does not, sadly, make him immune from such attacks.
Neither did I suggest a curfew for 15 yr olds.
However, I have seen cadets and other poppy sellers many times, but can't recall seeing them selling in the dark or at night. And if they are, there is something called a "duty of care" I believe.
But, do you really think it's a good idea to have a cadet, presumably on his own, collecting cash in the dark ?....even if it was in Moseley St.
That, and the fact however unpalatable it may be for you, but not everybody in the UK is a fan of the military.
You might want to ask yourself what type of country we live in when a 15 year old boy cannot stand in the uniform of the UK's biggest youth organisation, whilst selling poppies for a very large charity in one of our biggest cities, without having to live in fear of being torched!!!
Having 15 year olds out at 1800hrs should not invoke any cries of "what were they thinking?", whatsoever IMHO.
I know exactly what sort of a country we live in. Random and unprovoked theft, and attacks, are a feature of our society and have been for centuries.
The fact the cadet was in uniform does not, sadly, make him immune from such attacks.
Neither did I suggest a curfew for 15 yr olds.
However, I have seen cadets and other poppy sellers many times, but can't recall seeing them selling in the dark or at night. And if they are, there is something called a "duty of care" I believe.
But, do you really think it's a good idea to have a cadet, presumably on his own, collecting cash in the dark ?....even if it was in Moseley St.
That, and the fact however unpalatable it may be for you, but not everybody in the UK is a fan of the military.
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I'm reasonably sure that the cadet supervisory care directive does not allow lone Cadets to roam the streets on their own collecting for charity. As for those that aren't a fan of the military, there is a special entrance for those folks!
LJ
I'm reasonably sure that the cadet supervisory care directive does not allow lone Cadets to roam the streets on their own collecting for charity. As for those that aren't a fan of the military, there is a special entrance for those folks!
LJ