Foxbat
I seem to recall the early foxbats needed the engines chucking if it was run at full chat for extended periods. So if the measure is airframe loss, a fast run in mikoyans finest might best electrics but it would be in deep maintenance for a few weeks or until the supply of engines ran out.
I was always amazed at the old fashioned electric fit until I was informed by one of the ex bat drivers that it was more resistant to emp than early digital systems, makes me glad I kept my old quad valve amp. At least I can play led zep if the ballon goes up and mrs dagenham can pedal her bicycle fast enough to keep the lights on.
I was always amazed at the old fashioned electric fit until I was informed by one of the ex bat drivers that it was more resistant to emp than early digital systems, makes me glad I kept my old quad valve amp. At least I can play led zep if the ballon goes up and mrs dagenham can pedal her bicycle fast enough to keep the lights on.
I had read somewhere, can't remember where exactly, that the Foxbat could (and did??) overfly UK airspace at such height and speed that nothing could get near it (presumably the recce version).
The point is that both aircraft needed GCI assistance. I know one day the Mig 25 missed the first intercept as it was too slow launching. On its second attempt later in the day it was assessed as successful. In the recovery it violated Swedish, Norwegian, Danish and West German airspace.
http://http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wor...anada-29288277
Never mind Lightning, let's see how they got on against F22!
Never mind Lightning, let's see how they got on against F22!
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Off course civil airliner with a hidden camera on with a filed Flight Plan may have happened though.
When they did it at night, we used to turn on the undercarriage check lights (large array of upward pointing runway lights at max intensity) in the vague hope it would spoil their photos (or at least let them know we had noticed).
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The 40 odd NATO / USAF / IIAF aircraft shot down or attacked over Soviet Airspace means we did do it (not counting the 500 odd high altitude balloon recce mission or the successful recce missions that were not intercepted). The problem with western airliners were that they didn't belong to the government (well BOAC and BA were for a while), they were not going to put their passengers at risk or risk the route being shut down by the Soviets after they impounded the aircraft on landing and found a hidden camera on it (or shot it down). Aeroflot airliners on the other hand were state owned and most of the fleet had a military reserve role, so the soviets didn't have that problem. Of course in most NATO countries the KGB only had to go out for a week day drive to get information.
The 40 odd NATO / USAF / IIAF aircraft shot down or attacked over Soviet Airspace means we did do it (not counting the 500 odd high altitude balloon recce mission or the successful recce missions that were not intercepted). The problem with western airliners were that they didn't belong to the government (well BOAC and BA were for a while), they were not going to put their passengers at risk or risk the route being shut down by the Soviets after they impounded the aircraft on landing and found a hidden camera on it (or shot it down). Aeroflot airliners on the other hand were state owned and most of the fleet had a military reserve role, so the soviets didn't have that problem. Of course in most NATO countries the KGB only had to go out for a week day drive to get information.
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MAINJAFAD you might think that but I couldn't possibly comment.
As for doglegging around Denmark, why? If you're going to violate UK airspace why avoid Denmark, Germany, Holland and France? (Belgium is too small
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BTW, what did Gadaffi need, or use, his Foxbats for; mega phallic symbol?
As for doglegging around Denmark, why? If you're going to violate UK airspace why avoid Denmark, Germany, Holland and France? (Belgium is too small
)BTW, what did Gadaffi need, or use, his Foxbats for; mega phallic symbol?
Stendec,
No way. OVER the UK?
If it hadn't been dealt with by NATO Nikes as MAINJAFAD pointed out, it would have been Bloodhound bait.
No way. OVER the UK?
If it hadn't been dealt with by NATO Nikes as MAINJAFAD pointed out, it would have been Bloodhound bait.
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Seriously do you think a single intruder, not committing a hostile act, would have been engaged?
I think SACEUR would have been seriously upset. When the Bat ran the Bloodhound, Hawk, Nike gauntlet there was no response by SAM and I am not aware of any Q reaction either. At 30 miles/min not much chance was there?
I think SACEUR would have been seriously upset. When the Bat ran the Bloodhound, Hawk, Nike gauntlet there was no response by SAM and I am not aware of any Q reaction either. At 30 miles/min not much chance was there?
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MPN 11, last week I heard the following story.
At a Russian airfield it was noticed that groups of ground crew were waiting near their jets. It was cold. They had coke braziers burning near the aircraft.
When asked by the western observer why and was it not dangerous, they replied that it was designed to show the aircraft engines had been running. In fact they hadn't run for months.
At a Russian airfield it was noticed that groups of ground crew were waiting near their jets. It was cold. They had coke braziers burning near the aircraft.
When asked by the western observer why and was it not dangerous, they replied that it was designed to show the aircraft engines had been running. In fact they hadn't run for months.
Seriously do you think a single intruder, not committing a hostile act, would have been engaged?
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Wander00,
Canadian fighter jets intercept Russian bombers in Arctic - Canada - CBC News
About six hours before the CF-18s intercepted the Russian bombers, American F-22 fighter jets were scrambled from a base in Alaska to meet a group of Russian aircraft, including two refuelling tankers, two MiG-31 fighters and two long-range bombers.
After the U.S. jets made contact, the group headed west back towards Russian airspace.
After the U.S. jets made contact, the group headed west back towards Russian airspace.