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Whilst I'm pleased to see the RAF doing something to assist this humanitarian crisis...
Why is it always us????
Where are the Turks, Greeks, Gulf Arabs, Saudis? Or are the religious/sectarian issues too complex? Or is the geopolitical situation too difficult? Or are they all too far away from the crisis?
Why is it always us????
Where are the Turks, Greeks, Gulf Arabs, Saudis? Or are the religious/sectarian issues too complex? Or is the geopolitical situation too difficult? Or are they all too far away from the crisis?
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I was thinking the same thing.
I notice France has called a meeting of EU people
and has armed the Kurds with arms and aid.
I was thinking the same thing.
I notice France has called a meeting of EU people
and has armed the Kurds with arms and aid.
Why is it always us????
Where are the Turks, Greeks, Gulf Arabs,
Saudis? Or are the religious/sectarian issues too complex? Or is the
geopolitical situation too difficult? Or are they all too far away from the
crisis?
Reckon Dave popped back for the meeting so he didn't have to help the missus get the kids back from their hols! 
Good luck to the C130 and Chinook crews involved (will the AAC send a few Apache as escorts?...)
Good luck to the C130 and Chinook crews involved (will the AAC send a few Apache as escorts?...)
David Cameron Guff
The usual Guff from DC. How can we "play a role", undefined and not specific, and yet..."detailed plans are being drawn up"...defined and specific, by definition!? Are the majority of the population as stupid as he thinks? The UK role was defined as Obama requested last weekend. "Smiling knife" Hammond has merely administered the shop. Probably a good job they kept the Commons out of this one?
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I know what you mean, you sort of then think, well you need troops to support the RW base and perhaps Apache to support and escort the Chinooks.... And it snowballs from that.
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Compare and contrast with Provide Comfort and Haven - bearing in mind the 'opposition' was, effectively a beaten, demoralised army.
Provide Comfort drop flights were accompanied by A.10s in support.
Then the Wokkas arrived and set up, but only moved into N. Iraq post the arrival and deployment of a Commando (40?) plus elements of 29 Cdo Regt RA (initially minus their super-gats due to a nause with Turkish port authorities).
The ground force element was there to encourage, aid and protect the Kurds, to move out of the mountains and in to camps such as that in Silopi.
Meanwhile, the Wokkas went out into the mountains with supplies and aid to Civpop.
In other words the protection elements were in place for both air-drop and RW operations.
Provide Comfort drop flights were accompanied by A.10s in support.
Then the Wokkas arrived and set up, but only moved into N. Iraq post the arrival and deployment of a Commando (40?) plus elements of 29 Cdo Regt RA (initially minus their super-gats due to a nause with Turkish port authorities).
The ground force element was there to encourage, aid and protect the Kurds, to move out of the mountains and in to camps such as that in Silopi.
Meanwhile, the Wokkas went out into the mountains with supplies and aid to Civpop.
In other words the protection elements were in place for both air-drop and RW operations.
JollyGreenGiant64 - I think Mrs Cameron and Dave juniors are flying back civvy air - I was merely (tongue in cheek) suggesting that Dave just jumped ship early to avoid the hassle of wheeling sprogs through a portugese airport
However, questions were asked (by the opposition) as to why, at the start of his hols, he flew out civvy with 'er indoors and then flew back to UK using RAFAIR for meetings before jumping back on RAFAIR to rejoin the family. As the Labour MP suggested, couldn't he just have delayed his departure by a day? Anyhoo, using the jet as his personal taxi hardly cost anything (according to his spin doctors).....
However, questions were asked (by the opposition) as to why, at the start of his hols, he flew out civvy with 'er indoors and then flew back to UK using RAFAIR for meetings before jumping back on RAFAIR to rejoin the family. As the Labour MP suggested, couldn't he just have delayed his departure by a day? Anyhoo, using the jet as his personal taxi hardly cost anything (according to his spin doctors).....
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If you can go to war based on a pack of blatant lies (even without retrospect), surely you can help the affected based on humanitarian requirements.
The politicians need to grow a pair of bollocks and do what's right for a change, not what's right for their pockets.
The politicians need to grow a pair of bollocks and do what's right for a change, not what's right for their pockets.
