William to fly air ambulance
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This is one of the qualifications available for a police CP officer .Authorised firearms officer medical enhanced trainingFirst Aid Training Courses Essex, London & Herts | In house
This is offered by a private company but many forces ,I know PSNI ,two friends of mine have it, and I would guess the Met provide it in house. So very useful to have onboard.
This is offered by a private company but many forces ,I know PSNI ,two friends of mine have it, and I would guess the Met provide it in house. So very useful to have onboard.
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Perhaps this will highlight the daft situation which requires the Air Ambulance fleet to pay VAT on the fuel it uses
Do "Ground" Ambulances (you know what I mean) pay VAT on theirs?? If they don't, then the Air ones shouldn't.
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At what cost to the taxpayer
His intentions are very admirable but not well thought out. Who is going to pay for the extra protection that will be required?
Is an RAF Helicopter full of his protection squad going to escort him to every 'shout' to provide security?
How easy will it be for the lunatics/fanatics to stage/cause a road accident to get him on-site?
We would have been better off if he took a job flying to the oil rigs in the North Sea where security is already tight.
The title of “Second in line to the Throne” carries necessary restrictions.
Sorry for being such a pessimist/realist!
Is an RAF Helicopter full of his protection squad going to escort him to every 'shout' to provide security?
How easy will it be for the lunatics/fanatics to stage/cause a road accident to get him on-site?
We would have been better off if he took a job flying to the oil rigs in the North Sea where security is already tight.
The title of “Second in line to the Throne” carries necessary restrictions.
Sorry for being such a pessimist/realist!
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Hmm. I'm going to make a guess that before this was announced to the world, someone, somewhere was asked to take a look at it and carry out a bit of a risk assesment.
I'd also guess that that risk assessment determined that no-one's really out to get the royals. Not saying there aren't people out there who'd take a pop but there maybe aren't any known plots.
It also probably considered that Air Ambulance attendance is, pretty much by definition, in response to random unplanned events.
You can't just ring up and ask for the Air Ambo. It's requested by first responders so it'd take a determined effort by a volunteer to be ill or injured enough to trick its attendance.
They perhaps came up with the conclusion that, on balance, HRH flying a helicopter to unknown locations at unscheduled times is less risky than cycling in London. Or playing polo. Or pretty much anything.
I'd also guess that that risk assessment determined that no-one's really out to get the royals. Not saying there aren't people out there who'd take a pop but there maybe aren't any known plots.
It also probably considered that Air Ambulance attendance is, pretty much by definition, in response to random unplanned events.
You can't just ring up and ask for the Air Ambo. It's requested by first responders so it'd take a determined effort by a volunteer to be ill or injured enough to trick its attendance.
They perhaps came up with the conclusion that, on balance, HRH flying a helicopter to unknown locations at unscheduled times is less risky than cycling in London. Or playing polo. Or pretty much anything.
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Exactly so Tashengurt.
And surely all of Shiny 10's objections would have applied (and consequently have been addressed) during his time as a SarBuoy.
Got a "good pair of hands" by all accounts - he'll spend long enough cutting ribbons at exciting (sic) extruded plastics factories and knighting faceless bureaucrats - let him have a bit of fun right now AND (continue to) do a proper job.
Good on yer Sir.
And surely all of Shiny 10's objections would have applied (and consequently have been addressed) during his time as a SarBuoy.
Got a "good pair of hands" by all accounts - he'll spend long enough cutting ribbons at exciting (sic) extruded plastics factories and knighting faceless bureaucrats - let him have a bit of fun right now AND (continue to) do a proper job.
Good on yer Sir.
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He could donate his salary back to East Anglian Air Ambulance (or fly for free). It's a registered charity that I am happy to contribute a modest amount to each month.
Surely as a qualified mil pilot it would have been a lot less hassle and cost for him to do a 32(R) OCU and fly the Squirrel? Keeps him in touch with the Services, he continues to be a Patron of the charity, and someone who needs a job gets one.........
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It is ridiculous that the air ambulances in this country get no state aid at all. I have the NWI based EAAA 135 fly over my office on the most direct approach to land as possible (to save fuel that a standard Helo approach in would take). You do not see that in other countries were the state actually helps out with their air ambulances. I do already sponsor the EAAA and have done so for the last year to help to increase its cover to 24 hours..
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Tashengurt said:
Hmm. I'm going to make a guess that before this was announced to the world, someone, somewhere was asked to take a look at it and carry out a bit of a risk assesment.
I'd also guess that that risk assessment determined that no-one's really out to get the royals. Not saying there aren't people out there who'd take a pop but there maybe aren't any known plots.
It also probably considered that Air Ambulance attendance is, pretty much by definition, in response to random unplanned events.
You can't just ring up and ask for the Air Ambo. It's requested by first responders so it'd take a determined effort by a volunteer to be ill or injured enough to trick its attendance.
They perhaps came up with the conclusion that, on balance, HRH flying a helicopter to unknown locations at unscheduled times is less risky than cycling in London. Or playing polo. Or pretty much anything.
That was actuall pretty funny IMHO.
Are you really saying that for groups who have volunteers who will blow themselves to pieces that 'being injured' would be difficult ?
So, would he be easy to track down? Yes, ultra easy. There will only be one chopper he could fly, it will fly from a known location and would be quite easy to call out to a remote location
Would an armed CP chap in the cockpit help?
Maybe yes, maybe no, but its unlikely he could stop a hail of 7.62 or something from a man pad...........yes they are rare, but future monarchs are even rarer
I'm not saying you are wrong, but it just seems comical. What would be great would be if at some time in the future he picks up some injured radical and it gave the tabloids a chance to print some fantastic headlines. Being rescued by the future head of your sworn enemy would be great PR for the establishment
Hmm. I'm going to make a guess that before this was announced to the world, someone, somewhere was asked to take a look at it and carry out a bit of a risk assesment.
I'd also guess that that risk assessment determined that no-one's really out to get the royals. Not saying there aren't people out there who'd take a pop but there maybe aren't any known plots.
It also probably considered that Air Ambulance attendance is, pretty much by definition, in response to random unplanned events.
You can't just ring up and ask for the Air Ambo. It's requested by first responders so it'd take a determined effort by a volunteer to be ill or injured enough to trick its attendance.
They perhaps came up with the conclusion that, on balance, HRH flying a helicopter to unknown locations at unscheduled times is less risky than cycling in London. Or playing polo. Or pretty much anything.
That was actuall pretty funny IMHO.
Are you really saying that for groups who have volunteers who will blow themselves to pieces that 'being injured' would be difficult ?
So, would he be easy to track down? Yes, ultra easy. There will only be one chopper he could fly, it will fly from a known location and would be quite easy to call out to a remote location
Would an armed CP chap in the cockpit help?
Maybe yes, maybe no, but its unlikely he could stop a hail of 7.62 or something from a man pad...........yes they are rare, but future monarchs are even rarer
I'm not saying you are wrong, but it just seems comical. What would be great would be if at some time in the future he picks up some injured radical and it gave the tabloids a chance to print some fantastic headlines. Being rescued by the future head of your sworn enemy would be great PR for the establishment
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It is utterly essential for the monarchy to reinvent themselves in order to survive. That isn't a point that will go down to well on here, but no matter as most of us represent the past, not the future.
Modern royals will necessarily have to be, and be seen to be, normal, functional members of society, or society will sh1t can them in short order.
FWIW, the two princes really do appear to be damn fine eggs, and therefore ideally suited to the their modern roles.
Modern royals will necessarily have to be, and be seen to be, normal, functional members of society, or society will sh1t can them in short order.
FWIW, the two princes really do appear to be damn fine eggs, and therefore ideally suited to the their modern roles.
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Agree.
They complain that Charles did or does nothing, then when two fine young men actually want to and do take an active part - probably far more involved and active than Charles ever did, they complain as well.
The Air Ambulance will get millions of pounds benefit out of William being a pilot,
the type of publicity they couldn't afford to pay for. And not just this AA but all AA's in the UK.
They complain that Charles did or does nothing, then when two fine young men actually want to and do take an active part - probably far more involved and active than Charles ever did, they complain as well.
The Air Ambulance will get millions of pounds benefit out of William being a pilot,
the type of publicity they couldn't afford to pay for. And not just this AA but all AA's in the UK.
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More people have talked about air ambulance services in the UK in the last 3 months than in the previous 10 years combined.
That means a lot of people actually paying attention for the first time ever.
Then there is the saddest bunch of whinging anti-royal handwringing worthless sods I've ever seen, bitching and moaning about someone worth 10 of any of them.
Pathetic display, PPRuNers.
That means a lot of people actually paying attention for the first time ever.
Then there is the saddest bunch of whinging anti-royal handwringing worthless sods I've ever seen, bitching and moaning about someone worth 10 of any of them.
Pathetic display, PPRuNers.
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If the situation was slightly different I think you would have been making a fair point, but the situation is where it is.
This isn't a RAF SAR where baddies may only have a 50% chance of getting a royal once he was outside of a secure base.
This is a 100% opportunity to hit someone flying from an easy to attack place. It wouldn't even be the first time an emergency helicopter base has been attacked.
I love the fact he wants to continue to fly ( other nameless royalty just forgot about after their military service), and can only agree with others that I have only heard very positive stuff about him.
But, IF once he has trained some group of nutters proclaim they are going to shoot him down etc then would you wish him to carry on in role, and what of the injured passengers............would you think that a few dozen rounds of 7.62 through them would make a difference to their recovery?
In the UK we have have helicopters brought down with machine gun fire, and we have had emergency service bases attacked. We have even had royalty blown up by terrorists (if we count the apparent 'major success' in murdering Lord Mountbatten)
If the situation was slightly different I think you would have been making a fair point, but the situation is where it is.
This isn't a RAF SAR where baddies may only have a 50% chance of getting a royal once he was outside of a secure base.
This is a 100% opportunity to hit someone flying from an easy to attack place. It wouldn't even be the first time an emergency helicopter base has been attacked.
I love the fact he wants to continue to fly ( other nameless royalty just forgot about after their military service), and can only agree with others that I have only heard very positive stuff about him.
But, IF once he has trained some group of nutters proclaim they are going to shoot him down etc then would you wish him to carry on in role, and what of the injured passengers............would you think that a few dozen rounds of 7.62 through them would make a difference to their recovery?
In the UK we have have helicopters brought down with machine gun fire, and we have had emergency service bases attacked. We have even had royalty blown up by terrorists (if we count the apparent 'major success' in murdering Lord Mountbatten)