Now thats some barn find - Bf109
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Now thats some barn find - Bf109
This interesting, lets hope some get to fly again
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They are all the Battle of Britain film aircraft purchased after the film and stored in the US by the owner, 5 Spanish airforce Buchons (Merlin powered 109's) a twin seat Buchon, and a Spitfire.
See
http://www.platinumfighters.com/#!inventory/c15ed
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http://www.platinumfighters.com/#!inventory/c15ed
Yep - the Spit and P51 are original.
The Buchons are original too, don't forget...it's only when labelled Me109s that issues get complicated....
The twin sticker, with that provenance, looks like a gem....
The Buchons are original too, don't forget...it's only when labelled Me109s that issues get complicated....
The twin sticker, with that provenance, looks like a gem....
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Yup, more or less but repainted..... About the only one totally original is in the Imperial War Museum.
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You will find his story fascinating and how he acquired them.
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just call it an ME rather than Bf 109
It makes me chuckle to think that, by the time the Spanish retired the Buchon from service, the Lightning and Phantom had both been in service for 5 years and the F-111 and TSR2 prototypes were flying...but then I suppose the B-2 first flew while we still operated the Shackleton...
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ShotOne appears to take some exception to the link I posted. To clear the air, all extant airframes bear the official "Bf 109" designation on their identification plates, including the final K-4 models, with the notable exception of aircraft either initially built or re-fitted by Erla Maschinenwerk at Leipzig, which sometimes bear the erroneous Me 109 stamping.
From the very earliest of days though the aircraft was referred to as the Me 109 in the aviation media. Perhaps the ME prefix was used in recognition of the designer, and the fact that all his designs prior to the Bf 108 were designated M-(insert number).
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchi...0-%201556.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchi...0-%203013.html
www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1939/1939-1- - 0931.html
Seems like the last link you need to copy and paste, else it comes up with a 404 error.
From the very earliest of days though the aircraft was referred to as the Me 109 in the aviation media. Perhaps the ME prefix was used in recognition of the designer, and the fact that all his designs prior to the Bf 108 were designated M-(insert number).
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchi...0-%201556.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchi...0-%203013.html
www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1939/1939-1- - 0931.html
Seems like the last link you need to copy and paste, else it comes up with a 404 error.
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If you find yourself in Madrid with some time to spare, go to Cuatro Vientos Airport and visit the Museo del Aire there. It's not very well marked, and the opening hours seem to be a bit irregular, but it's definitely worth a visit. It's just down the street to your right as you face the civil terminal, in a couple of old hangars.
They keep a lot of the old aircraft in flyable condition, flying them sometimes on weekends.
The collection includes Spanish-built copies of the Bf109 or Me109, depending, and also both an original and a Spanish-built copy of the Heinkel 111.
There's a Polikarpov I-16 Mosca/Rata among a lot of very interesting aircraft. That was an aircraft that matched the Messerschmitt in a fight, each type having different strengths, but superior German tactics, fighting in pairs, meant that the fascists generally prevailed.
There was an American mercenary pilot, Frank Glasgow Tinker, who became an ace flying the Polikarpov for the Republicans, when he shot down two German fighters, either Bf109s or Me109s. He couldn't tell the difference and I don't think he much cared, being an American and all ....
They keep a lot of the old aircraft in flyable condition, flying them sometimes on weekends.
The collection includes Spanish-built copies of the Bf109 or Me109, depending, and also both an original and a Spanish-built copy of the Heinkel 111.
There's a Polikarpov I-16 Mosca/Rata among a lot of very interesting aircraft. That was an aircraft that matched the Messerschmitt in a fight, each type having different strengths, but superior German tactics, fighting in pairs, meant that the fascists generally prevailed.
There was an American mercenary pilot, Frank Glasgow Tinker, who became an ace flying the Polikarpov for the Republicans, when he shot down two German fighters, either Bf109s or Me109s. He couldn't tell the difference and I don't think he much cared, being an American and all ....
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The 109 is still generally referred to as the Me109 (pronounced sounds like "May ein-hundert-noyn") in Germany, mainly I think, because the German wartime propaganda pushed the Willy Messerschmitt angle. As previously covered in this thread, the Bf/Me title is no mystery.
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At the risk of prolonging the Bf/Me debate, my understanding is that the 109 was a product of the Bayerische Flugzeugwerke - hence Bf - and in July 1938 the company was renamed Messerschmitt AG.
The company's designs up to the 162 were designated Bf and from the 163 onwards Me. Design work on the Me 163 seems to have started in early 1939, making it the first product of the renamed company.
As mentioned in an earlier post, the Luftwaffe evidently adopted "Me 109" possibly because it was easier to pronounce "May" than "Bay-Eff"!
The company's designs up to the 162 were designated Bf and from the 163 onwards Me. Design work on the Me 163 seems to have started in early 1939, making it the first product of the renamed company.
As mentioned in an earlier post, the Luftwaffe evidently adopted "Me 109" possibly because it was easier to pronounce "May" than "Bay-Eff"!