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More non-uniform uniform!

Old 23rd Jun 2014, 19:24
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More non-uniform uniform!

Thought it was a while since we'd heard about aircrew brevets in the RAF until I read this in the briefing note at work:

The use of aircrew brevet badges on Service shirts has been considered and consistently rejected on both cost and utility grounds in the past. However, for those serving on a range of overseas appointments having routine contact with other Nationís armed forces and with Embassy personnel, it was felt that some form of recognition of aircrew status would be of significant benefit. A range of enamel and cloth miniature badges were considered and it was decided that the most appropriate solution would be to use the RAF name badge format currently used by the SLT that includes the relevant aircrew insignia but without rank.
So there we go, one uniform for home and another for abroad...brilliant!

Oh, it's obviously not worth recognising aircrew status anywhere else than in other Nation's air forces or in the local Embassy...more brilliance!

Is the dress committee still run by stackers and DE&S?

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Old 23rd Jun 2014, 19:35
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Thanks Leon, I'll get my badges sorted for my recall!

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Old 23rd Jun 2014, 19:39
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it was felt that some form of recognition of aircrew status would be of significant benefit
what's wrong with bloody great watches ?
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Old 23rd Jun 2014, 19:49
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Fox3,


You mean big watches with wings on ?


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Old 23rd Jun 2014, 19:57
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But it's OK to wear a brevet on a jumper, so why discriminate against the Summer in the UK?

Madness!
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Old 23rd Jun 2014, 19:58
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Engo

Is that the one that Bruce Willis' dad hid up his jacksie in Pulp Fiction?



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Old 23rd Jun 2014, 20:15
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I've always thought it a bit odd that CrabAir have such bizarre regulations concerning the wearing of flying brevets.

"has been considered and consistently rejected on both cost and utility grounds in the past".

What a total non-statement. As someone highlighted, this is probably due to CS, blunties and goat blowers making up the RAF dress committee. I'm surprised they've not made a 'Half Wing Pencil' brevet or an aggressive typewriter with wings. They'd no doubt sign that off.

I guess crab aircrew get around the regulation by just wearing flying suits where ever they go (why oh why wear flying suits for a 2 week HF course at Shriv??)

We pongos are a bit more relaxed when it comes to wearing brevets. As for cost and utility? Having a set of cloth wings with pin clasps on the back is cost effective and has utility. We can wear them with anything (all the ridiculous dress states we have)
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Old 23rd Jun 2014, 20:25
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We pongos are a bit more relaxed when it comes to wearing brevets. As for cost and utility? Having a set of cloth wings with pin clasps on the back is cost effective and has utility. We can wear them with anything (all the ridiculous dress states we have)
Promote that man immediately and put him on the committee!

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I acquired a RNZAF nav brevet in the mid-70s. They used to wear it with shirts. They also had a summer lightweight forage cap.

Anyway I sold the badge on eBay and it was bought by an Australian collector. Turned out the badge as from the 40s even.

They also had a lightweight plastic pac-a-mac raincoat in recognition that it actually rains in the tropics. Used to good effect in Ascension.

Yes, we get it wrong all the time.

Can anyone tell me what happened to the blue 'KD' at Lyneham in '84?
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Old 23rd Jun 2014, 20:27
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Why not have 58 different career field / rating pin badges like the USAF and be done with it - then nobody could complain they didn't have one and vote against it !

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I don't see how a name badge with a brevet on it is ever going to crack it within Embassies and Foreign Air Forces - just look at the average competition!

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"Having a set of cloth wings with pin clasps on the back is cost effective and has utility"

Sounds more like a FOD hazard to me!
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I note the US scribblies' badge is suitably punchy!



Do you think it's a paper aeroplane?
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The pilot's badge would have the earth revolving around him!
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Old 23rd Jun 2014, 20:49
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How about this one for the 20,000 cyber warriors in Cyber Command - note the comment "Cyberspace Operator Badge (This badge is equal in precedence to aviation badges.)"

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Wensley, Quote "The pilot's badge would have the earth revolving around him!" Quite correct.

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"Sounds more like a FOD hazard to me!"

Err, gone are the days of flying in a woolly pully or shirt.......
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No problem, and they'll tailor it to your needs

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Err, gone are the days of flying in a woolly pully or shirt.......


yet personnel still go to aircraft manoeuvring areas and visit aircraft while wearing standard uniform. Why increase the risk - after all, you won't notice if the badge has gone because the hi-vis vest will be in the way!
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"yet personnel still go to aircraft manoeuvring areas and visit aircraft while wearing standard uniform. Why increase the risk - after all, you won't notice if the badge has gone because the hi-vis vest will be in the way!"


Which is why anyone who is connected with aviation carries out a FOD and loose article check prior to and after visiting said aircraft areas. We do, do you?

I can understand you're trying to prove a point and almost justify why the RAF haven't gone down the route of pinning wings on shirts. I think its quite clear that the blunties have scuppered it and not some retro-Air Safety reasoning.

I'll suggest we all go to aircraft dispersals naked at our next Air Safety meeting....
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