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Sorry but you are wrong. They may perhaps have overdone it in the past while making routine calls but certainly not these days.
Jim Turner, the Boss, gives his calls in a very calm, measured cadence, the rhythm of which is a vital element for timely control responses. The synchros make their threshold calls while under high G, closing speeds of 800+kts and critical time pressure. They shout. So do the pilots calling safe on roll-backs etc.
Their calls are not a scripted part of the show. They are only audible to the spectators if Lingy chooses to broadcast his radio over the tannoy.
To describe it as an appalling nasty little habit and unprofessional reveals your ignorance of the detail of how FJ display teams operate. Unprofessional the Reds most certainly are not.
Sorry but you are wrong. They may perhaps have overdone it in the past while making routine calls but certainly not these days.
Jim Turner, the Boss, gives his calls in a very calm, measured cadence, the rhythm of which is a vital element for timely control responses. The synchros make their threshold calls while under high G, closing speeds of 800+kts and critical time pressure. They shout. So do the pilots calling safe on roll-backs etc.
Their calls are not a scripted part of the show. They are only audible to the spectators if Lingy chooses to broadcast his radio over the tannoy.
To describe it as an appalling nasty little habit and unprofessional reveals your ignorance of the detail of how FJ display teams operate. Unprofessional the Reds most certainly are not.
Genstab,
Your opinion of course. Having had the great pleasure of flying in the back with them a few times (admittedly not recently) and only having 2000 odd hours FJ time I will have to bow to your obviously greater experience.
Your opinion of course. Having had the great pleasure of flying in the back with them a few times (admittedly not recently) and only having 2000 odd hours FJ time I will have to bow to your obviously greater experience.
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I certainly cannot claim to match your experience of having flown fast jets and of having back seated in a Red's jet, albeit both some time ago. However, do not confuse experience, particularly if irrelevant, and knowledge. Furthermore your claim of experience makes your extraordinarily negative comments all the more deplorable.
I certainly cannot claim to match your experience of having flown fast jets and of having back seated in a Red's jet, albeit both some time ago. However, do not confuse experience, particularly if irrelevant, and knowledge. Furthermore your claim of experience makes your extraordinarily negative comments all the more deplorable.
I have flown with the Reds in the recent past and also have thousands of hours FJ. The calls do not need to be shouted, it's purely an affectation. Dragging the syllables out makes the calls less precise. I too wish they wouldn't do it.
Genstab,
Given that I said [QUOTE][For a bunch of very nice blokes (certainly the ones I know) who fly stunning displays/QUOTE]mI I find it strange that you felt I was being outrageously negative.
Given some of the other comments by posters do you stand by your comments? I did not say the Reds were unprofessional, I said that their RT is often needlessly so. My view is that if you are the best (and it could be argued that they are), then you should operate in exactly the same manner that got you to that position. Their standard of RT is not seen anywhere else in the RAF for a very good reason.
I guess that you will not agree so I will leave it at that.
Given that I said [QUOTE][For a bunch of very nice blokes (certainly the ones I know) who fly stunning displays/QUOTE]mI I find it strange that you felt I was being outrageously negative.
Given some of the other comments by posters do you stand by your comments? I did not say the Reds were unprofessional, I said that their RT is often needlessly so. My view is that if you are the best (and it could be argued that they are), then you should operate in exactly the same manner that got you to that position. Their standard of RT is not seen anywhere else in the RAF for a very good reason.
I guess that you will not agree so I will leave it at that.
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Indeed. Those shrieks and yells during the formation landing were so puerile and embarrassing that we had to stop the PA broadcast at an air show once. We'd connected the AOR UHF receiver, a CD player and microphone to the PA amp and all was going quite nicely until that silly squealing nonsense that RAFAT do on final....
Will be listening out tomorrow when they do Silverstone....
It's got very little to do with G or closing speeds, they do it checking in and taxiing out. It is an appalling nasty little habit that they've had for years that does them no credit.
Will be listening out tomorrow when they do Silverstone....
Example? Difficult to do on here, but here goes:
'Red Arrows check' 'TWO!' 'THREE!' 'FOUR!' 'FIIIIVVE!' [falsetto] 'SIIIX!!' 'SEVENNN!!!!' 'EIIIIIIGHT!!!!!' 'NIIIIINE!!!!' [\falsetto]
As indicated, it is most noticeable in the Gypo section, the guys who are in their second or third years, and is especially heard in the synchro section. 'THRESSSSHOOOLLLDD!'
To be fair to Red 1s, their R/T is always very smooth and good to listen to. 'Rolllllliiinnnngg IN....... hold the bank THERE...... TIGHTening...... letting it OUT..... rolllliinnngg OUT' etc.
'Red Arrows check' 'TWO!' 'THREE!' 'FOUR!' 'FIIIIVVE!' [falsetto] 'SIIIX!!' 'SEVENNN!!!!' 'EIIIIIIGHT!!!!!' 'NIIIIINE!!!!' [\falsetto]
As indicated, it is most noticeable in the Gypo section, the guys who are in their second or third years, and is especially heard in the synchro section. 'THRESSSSHOOOLLLDD!'
To be fair to Red 1s, their R/T is always very smooth and good to listen to. 'Rolllllliiinnnngg IN....... hold the bank THERE...... TIGHTening...... letting it OUT..... rolllliinnngg OUT' etc.
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RE Posts 20/25, you can see how Gentleman Dicky and the boys did the R/T in '75.
BBC - Archive - Aerial Journeys - Go With Noakes | The Red Arrows
BBC - Archive - Aerial Journeys - Go With Noakes | The Red Arrows
- great to see that again!
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The play-back of the RT chatter during air shows is a questionable act. As some of the people who have posted here will know, it is done for a purpose, and not for dramatic effect, but whether it's a good idea to let the public hear it is debatable. On the other hand, I guess the kids probably think it's great?
Just as questionable is this year's commentary in which the Manager asks everyone to wave as the formation goes by. I suppose there's always a case for "dumbing-down" the commentary for the spectators but there are limits beyond which it becomes a tad toe-curling!
Just as questionable is this year's commentary in which the Manager asks everyone to wave as the formation goes by. I suppose there's always a case for "dumbing-down" the commentary for the spectators but there are limits beyond which it becomes a tad toe-curling!
Reds at Cleethorpes 27 Jul
I took my grandchildren to see the Reds (and BBMF) at Cleethorpes yesterday, the first time I have seen a full Reds display in over 10 years. I was very impressed with the 25 minute display which included new routines (to me). The kids (9 and 11) were enthralled and now want to be pilots! As to the commentary, Lingy explained their cadence and if it works and keeps them safe, who am I to complain?