Al Qaeda takes control in Iraqi city
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If the USA wants to have peace in the ME they just need to tell Israel to shut the **** up, recognise Palestinian state-hood, stay within their borders, and stop antagonising their neighbours.
Trim Stab - You seem to have conveniently forgotten that, more than once, but particularly at Camp David, Yasser Arafat was offered over 90% of their demands, some say 95%, but refused to compromise. Israel has already accepted Palestinian statehood, offered it to them on a plate and the PLO, backed by terrorist organisations like Hezbollah, turned it down. If you think that hiding behind the skirts of your women folk and the prams of your children whilst carrying out bombings of civilians, kidnap and murder is a, "very justifiable reaction" then one can only feel sorry for your very twisted comprehension.
The Jews have lived in what is now called Israel for 3000 years and their descendants have as much right to be there as the descendants of the Palestinians.
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As I see it, Israel is the only country in the region that permits citizens of all faiths to worship freely and openly; around 20 percent of Israeli citizens are not Jewish, with most of them being Arab; and while Jews are not permitted to live in many Arab countries, Arabs are granted full citizenship, have the right to vote in Israel, and have served in the Knesset. Consider this: Arabs living in Israel have more rights and are freer than most Arabs living in Arab countries, with Arab women in Israel enjoying the same rights and status as men.
As for a two-state solution: Israel has repeatedly offered the Palestinians their own homeland–at Camp David in 2000, in Taba in 2001, and again (from Ehud Olmert) in 2008. The offers were enormously generous: Palestinian statehood, the West Bank, Gaza, the division of Jerusalem, and more. The reaction? Palestinian rejection, followed in some cases by a new intifada. That rejection still exists to this day.
On the matter of “land for peace,” Israel has shown its good faith repeatedly. For example, Israel offered to return all the land it captured during the 1967 war in exchange for peace and normal relations. The offer was rejected in August 1967, when Arab leaders met in Khartoum and adopted a formula that became known as the “three no’s”: no peace with Israel, no negotiation with Israel, and no recognition of Israel.
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As for a two-state solution: Israel has repeatedly offered the Palestinians their own homeland–at Camp David in 2000, in Taba in 2001, and again (from Ehud Olmert) in 2008. The offers were enormously generous: Palestinian statehood, the West Bank, Gaza, the division of Jerusalem, and more. The reaction? Palestinian rejection, followed in some cases by a new intifada. That rejection still exists to this day.
On the matter of “land for peace,” Israel has shown its good faith repeatedly. For example, Israel offered to return all the land it captured during the 1967 war in exchange for peace and normal relations. The offer was rejected in August 1967, when Arab leaders met in Khartoum and adopted a formula that became known as the “three no’s”: no peace with Israel, no negotiation with Israel, and no recognition of Israel.
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What is your point BB? Selling weapons is way down on the priority list versus not sending our troops into war to keep the original 2003 invasion based upon false pretenses with all the costs in fortune and lives not being seen for what it was: THE LARGEST OMNI SHAMBLES IN US HISTORY! It is clear to all that the neocon invasion of Iraq was a mistake which Shrub did not comprehended (dad and Colin did!). Cheney just took his profits to offshore accounts.
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Russia is playing it smart by SELLING Arms and Equipment.
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Working for a Defense Contractor and dissing the folks that keep you employed sounds a bit unkind there Sultan.
If you really believed that crap you would have sought alternative employment I would have thought.
Perhaps your convictions are not as strong as you would have us think.
If you really believed that crap you would have sought alternative employment I would have thought.
Perhaps your convictions are not as strong as you would have us think.
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What about the establishment of the Palestinian Mandate post -WW1 in a bi-lateral action between the UK and France - after the US wisely wanted no part of such a stupid idea.
And the British promises to the Jewish factions that they would have their own nation - which set off the Zionist expansions in the 1920s & 30s, and directly created the situation in Palestine/Israel in 1947-49?
Trying real hard to shift the blame that properly lies on the UK to the US just won't work.
What about the establishment of the Palestinian Mandate post -WW1 in a bi-lateral action between the UK and France - after the US wisely wanted no part of such a stupid idea.
And the British promises to the Jewish factions that they would have their own nation - which set off the Zionist expansions in the 1920s & 30s, and directly created the situation in Palestine/Israel in 1947-49?
Trying real hard to shift the blame that properly lies on the UK to the US just won't work.
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Considering the promises the British made to the Arabs through Lawrence in order to garner their armed support against the Turks, this pretty much 'started it all' in regards to the situation there now.
Although the US has supported Israel since it's inception, it's more due to powerful Jewish American lobby groups and the need for a regional 'safety valve' * than it is for their human rights record....
* Although various Muslims sects might hate each other, they unite under a common hatred of the Jews. Israel would need to fall before any future threat/conflict extended beyond the Middle East.
Both sides would demand it for their own security/philosophy.
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Al Qaeda takes control in Iraqi city
Saudi Arabia 'Deploys Troops To Iraq Border'
Last Updated 09:19 03/07/2014
Saudi Arabia has deployed 30,000 troops to its border with Iraq, according to reports.
The move comes after Iraqi soldiers withdrew from the area, news agency Reuters reported, quoting Saudi-owned Al Arabiya TV.
The Dubai-based satellite channel showed a video on its website which it said showed some 2,500 Iraqi soldiers in the desert area east of the Iraqi city of Karbala after they abandoned their posts, leaving the border area with Saudi Arabia and Syria unguarded.
An Iraqi officer in the video said the Iraqi soldiers had been ordered to quit their posts for no apparent reason.
"We received an order to withdraw, we didn't know why," he said.
The authenticity of the recording has not been independently verified.
The world's top oil exporter shares an 800-km (500-mile) border with Iraq, where ISIS insurgents and other Sunni Muslim militant groups seized towns and cities in a lightning advance last month.
Saudi's King Abdullah has ordered "all necessary measures" to protect the kingdom against potential "terrorist threats", state news agency SPA reported.
More follows...
Last Updated 09:19 03/07/2014
Saudi Arabia has deployed 30,000 troops to its border with Iraq, according to reports.
The move comes after Iraqi soldiers withdrew from the area, news agency Reuters reported, quoting Saudi-owned Al Arabiya TV.
The Dubai-based satellite channel showed a video on its website which it said showed some 2,500 Iraqi soldiers in the desert area east of the Iraqi city of Karbala after they abandoned their posts, leaving the border area with Saudi Arabia and Syria unguarded.
An Iraqi officer in the video said the Iraqi soldiers had been ordered to quit their posts for no apparent reason.
"We received an order to withdraw, we didn't know why," he said.
The authenticity of the recording has not been independently verified.
The world's top oil exporter shares an 800-km (500-mile) border with Iraq, where ISIS insurgents and other Sunni Muslim militant groups seized towns and cities in a lightning advance last month.
Saudi's King Abdullah has ordered "all necessary measures" to protect the kingdom against potential "terrorist threats", state news agency SPA reported.
More follows...
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/01/isis-destroy-kaaba-mecca_n_5547635.html?utm_hp_ref=religion
Probably because they're moving on the Saudi border. I 'admire' the pluck, but this is starting to look like Barbarossa. A couple of thousand ISIS fighters might scare an Iraqi army that couldn't be described as elite, but they'll be biting off more than they can chew if they give Iran and/or the Saudis an excuse to come on in.
Probably because they're moving on the Saudi border. I 'admire' the pluck, but this is starting to look like Barbarossa. A couple of thousand ISIS fighters might scare an Iraqi army that couldn't be described as elite, but they'll be biting off more than they can chew if they give Iran and/or the Saudis an excuse to come on in.
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Three Arrests of Persons on a Terrorist Watch List was announced last night.
All were apprehended after they entered the USA from Mexico.
Knowing the success rate our Customs, Immigration, and Border Control Operations have, the question begged is how many thousand were not apprehended over the past few Years.
All were apprehended after they entered the USA from Mexico.
Knowing the success rate our Customs, Immigration, and Border Control Operations have, the question begged is how many thousand were not apprehended over the past few Years.
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I really don't get that or what they are trying to achieve/
"If Allah wills, we will kill those who worship stones in Mecca and destroy the Kaaba. People go to Mecca to touch the stones, not for Allah."
Especially as "If indeed the statement is from an ISIS member, it's a shocking one even for them, considering that ISIS has been attempting to increase recruitment from Muslims worldwide by declaring the restoration of an Islamic Caliphate."
According to John L. Esposito, Professor of Religion and International Affairs and of Islamic Studies at Georgetown University, "In terms of legitimacy- unless you're someone who's ready to join a terrorist group at this point, for the vast majority of Muslims there is no legitimacy with this group." This most recent threat reinforces Esposito's point, particularly as it comes during the holy month of Ramadan.
I really don't get that or what they are trying to achieve/
"If Allah wills, we will kill those who worship stones in Mecca and destroy the Kaaba. People go to Mecca to touch the stones, not for Allah."
Especially as "If indeed the statement is from an ISIS member, it's a shocking one even for them, considering that ISIS has been attempting to increase recruitment from Muslims worldwide by declaring the restoration of an Islamic Caliphate."
According to John L. Esposito, Professor of Religion and International Affairs and of Islamic Studies at Georgetown University, "In terms of legitimacy- unless you're someone who's ready to join a terrorist group at this point, for the vast majority of Muslims there is no legitimacy with this group." This most recent threat reinforces Esposito's point, particularly as it comes during the holy month of Ramadan.
This young man explains why he goes to ISIS and fights.
Fits the typical terrorist profile: educated, middle class, has a chip on his shoulder.
Fits the typical terrorist profile: educated, middle class, has a chip on his shoulder.
It's just pure narcissism. Radical Islam endows the otherwise seemingly meaningless lives of a particular strata of young men with a sense that they somehow have a higher purpose. If there wasn't global jihadism to latch on to, they would just as quickly find some other cause with which to allign themselves.
This may interest:
The life of a jihadi wife: Why one Canadian woman joined ISIS's Islamic state - World - CBC News
I note that her husband died when his hidden suicide belt was triggered by the other party detonating a hidden suicide belt, and this is two Sunni Islamist groups reportedly finalising a peace treaty.
I find it difficult to think of the term "higher purpose" when reading of such actions as bringing suicide belts to a peace treaty between 'fellow' believers.
The life of a jihadi wife: Why one Canadian woman joined ISIS's Islamic state - World - CBC News
I note that her husband died when his hidden suicide belt was triggered by the other party detonating a hidden suicide belt, and this is two Sunni Islamist groups reportedly finalising a peace treaty.
I find it difficult to think of the term "higher purpose" when reading of such actions as bringing suicide belts to a peace treaty between 'fellow' believers.
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Blimey, the Arab world would have been up in arms if we did this
BBC News - In pictures: Isis destroys Iraq shrines
BBC News - In pictures: Isis destroys Iraq shrines
I find it difficult to think of the term "higher purpose" when reading of
such actions as bringing suicide belts to a peace treaty between 'fellow'
believers.
I think I got your meaning; but this is not a logical application of the Koran, and therefore has no purpose, never mind no "higher purpose". The conflict against the Shia has a purpose for some Sunni, as it is possible to conceive of the Shia as heretics, and therefore non-muslim, but there's no excuse/justification for turning up to a peace treaty with fellow Sunni, wearing a suicide belt
TEHRAN — State media reported Saturday that an Iranian military pilot was killed in Iraq, the first confirmation that Iranian forces are involved in the Iraqi government’s battle to repel an offensive by al-Qaeda-inspired extremists.
IRNA, Iran’s official news agency, did not provide details of how or when the pilot was killed but said he died defending holy places in the Iraqi city of Samarra, which is home to an important Shiite pilgrimage site.
IRNA, Iran’s official news agency, did not provide details of how or when the pilot was killed but said he died defending holy places in the Iraqi city of Samarra, which is home to an important Shiite pilgrimage site.