heads up, Eric brown on BBC 2
Originally Posted by AtomKraft
The BoB WAS a draw.
The defenders were not overrun,
The attackers were not defeated..
The defenders were not overrun,
The attackers were not defeated..
It also has to be remembered that both sides have a different view on what is defined as the Battle of Britain.
Our usual defined timeframe is from Jul 10th to Oct 31st whereas the Germans have always taken it to be from Aldertag on Aug 13th to the last mass nightime raid on the UK on 21st May 1941 prior to the withdraw of the majority of the Luftwaffe bomber groups to move East for the invasion of Russia.
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On I player now 
May 41 was when Pere W was on his fire appliance in the City of London trying to put out the fires. The week before he was at the destruction of City Temple on the same crew as Ernest Lough, who as a boy had recorded "Oh For The Wings of a Dove" there
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Nobody here arguing, AK, simply having a discussion. Care to join in? Not much of an outlook for PPRuNe otherwise.
You don't happen to work in education by any chance, where there are no winners or losers? Mind you, it would have made a useful PS for Eisenhower to add to the letter he carried around on June 6th 1944. 'AL1; for The BoB insert D-Day'
Ah, there at least we are in violent agreement when discussing Captain E. M. Brown, RN, CBE, DSC, AFC, Hon FRAeS!
Better to listen and learn, than to argue.
The BoB WAS a draw.
The defenders were not overrun,
The attackers were not defeated..
The defenders were not overrun,
The attackers were not defeated..
Brown is a clever chap
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Being in Oz it seems the 'iPlayer' download function is not available including watching online. Perhaps this doco will be shown on Oz ABC/SBS TV at some point? Anyhoo....
Britain's Greatest Pilot Eric "Winkle" Brown
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Britain's Greatest Pilot Eric "Winkle" Brown
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"Captain Eric 'Winkle' Brown, 95, recounts his flying experiences and adventures up to and during the Second World War in this documentary illustrated with archive footage."
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Spaz download and install the free trial of unblockus
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I have it set up on my iPad and TV, although I subscribe, there is a free month trial, it fools the channels into believing you are in the UK.... US etc
I have used it for over six months as I run Netflix USA through my smart TV, you get a lot more films and Series on the US version.... It's supposedly good for Iplayer too, so you will be able to use the free trial to watch it.
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Extraordinary character. I enjoyed the programme, even the 3D graphics in the photo album that has been criticised above. Not sure what people expect in an hour. To hear all his interesting stories could (or should IMHO) replace both East Enders and Coronation street for a year or two. His account of Miles 52 would be a feature length film.
I do hope I get another opportunity to hear him speak and have supper with him again
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I do hope I get another opportunity to hear him speak and have supper with him again
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This should have been must-see TV for me.
Instead I was irritated by the graphics and stock film of wrong types that sort-of fit the narrative and also by the glossing-over due to the one-hour format.
Such a shame that a fascinating story and gentleman such as Cpt. Brown could not wholly keep my attention. I did watch to the end, out of respect.
For me the retelling of such exploits needs more depth (why not a series?). It's okay putting things in general context but for expoits of genuine historical significance more detail is needed. These chaps wont be around much longer and the opportunities should be taken. I suppose I should read his books!
Instead I was irritated by the graphics and stock film of wrong types that sort-of fit the narrative and also by the glossing-over due to the one-hour format.
Such a shame that a fascinating story and gentleman such as Cpt. Brown could not wholly keep my attention. I did watch to the end, out of respect.
For me the retelling of such exploits needs more depth (why not a series?). It's okay putting things in general context but for expoits of genuine historical significance more detail is needed. These chaps wont be around much longer and the opportunities should be taken. I suppose I should read his books!
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A forum member kindly sent this info:
Captain Eric Melrose "Winkle" Brown. Short Extracts from DVD
Captain Eric Melrose "Winkle" Brown. Short Extracts from DVD - YouTube
Captain Eric Melrose "Winkle" Brown. Short Extracts from DVD
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These are short extracts from a 1 hour 42 minute DVD interview with Captain Eric Melrose "Winkle" Brown which can be found at: www.deltaveemedia.co.uk
These are short extracts from a 1 hour 42 minute DVD interview with Captain Eric Melrose "Winkle" Brown which can be found at: www.deltaveemedia.co.uk
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apart from the man and his achievements, a spotters treat of a programme: , I kept my wife awake with squeaks of pleasure as each type flashed up on the screen. Lost count.
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He phoned the Fire Station on the camp at three in the morning and asked why there was one of our fire engines outside woollies in Elgin. He`d nicked it and parked it there. The Killick of the crew got an interview without coffee for not locking the gates............... which were never locked. MDA Air station.
IMHO - The programme was quite good, but couldn't possibly do justice to such a great aviator. That needs a complete series.
As an aside, My late brother was OCAero Flt, RAE Bedford (One of `Winkles` posts) in the 60s and always talked of him with tremendous respect. I had the honour of meeting him at Middle Wallop earlier this year. Quite a remarkable man and aviator supreme.
As an aside, My late brother was OCAero Flt, RAE Bedford (One of `Winkles` posts) in the 60s and always talked of him with tremendous respect. I had the honour of meeting him at Middle Wallop earlier this year. Quite a remarkable man and aviator supreme.
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Just watched it on I player. I did get a bit frustrated as it just seemed to dance across the hilights with little detail but as just abour everyone's said, that was the only way to cover such a career in an hour. That's why I've read his book so many times. I do sometimes wish I'd been born a couple of decades earlier!
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If you get an opportunity to hear Captain Brown giving a talk, don't miss it.
He gave the (then) Guild of Air Pilots' annual Cobham Lecture in 2007 and kept the audience of about 240 enthralled for what turned out to be 1½ hours - but I doubt if anyone noticed time passing. One of the most interesting lectures I've ever heard.
Only later did it sink in that the elderly gentleman describing events was relating things he'd seen and done by the age of 26!
He received the prestigious Award of Honour in 2006.
Lord Stevens, Captain Brown, Capt Jock Lowe
In 2006, exceptionally, there were two recipients: Thread here
There's an interesting interview by journalist/pilot Pat Malone here: Profile: Captain E M Brown CBE AFC DFC FRAeS RN
See page 9 of the link.
I had another opportunity to hear Captain Brown speaking when he was guest of honour at the annual McKenna Dinner at ETPS Boscombe Down last December. An after dinner speech rather than a lecture but, again, he was excellent.
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He gave the (then) Guild of Air Pilots' annual Cobham Lecture in 2007 and kept the audience of about 240 enthralled for what turned out to be 1½ hours - but I doubt if anyone noticed time passing. One of the most interesting lectures I've ever heard.
Only later did it sink in that the elderly gentleman describing events was relating things he'd seen and done by the age of 26!
He received the prestigious Award of Honour in 2006.
Lord Stevens, Captain Brown, Capt Jock Lowe
In 2006, exceptionally, there were two recipients: Thread here
There's an interesting interview by journalist/pilot Pat Malone here: Profile: Captain E M Brown CBE AFC DFC FRAeS RN
See page 9 of the link.
I had another opportunity to hear Captain Brown speaking when he was guest of honour at the annual McKenna Dinner at ETPS Boscombe Down last December. An after dinner speech rather than a lecture but, again, he was excellent.
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I caught it. So glad I did.
If this chap said the grass was blue and the sky was green, I'd happily go along with it.
I enjoyed the flashes from his log book. Me-163 one day and then the Me-109T the next (that must have been somewhat boring in comparison!).
I do like the Me-262. A view formed before I'd even heard of Eric. however, I wonder what he'd have thought if he was having to fly one on the approach to an airfield under attack from a squadron of P-47s or P-51s. I reckon he'd have found a few more faults with it then!
If this chap said the grass was blue and the sky was green, I'd happily go along with it.
I enjoyed the flashes from his log book. Me-163 one day and then the Me-109T the next (that must have been somewhat boring in comparison!).
I do like the Me-262. A view formed before I'd even heard of Eric. however, I wonder what he'd have thought if he was having to fly one on the approach to an airfield under attack from a squadron of P-47s or P-51s. I reckon he'd have found a few more faults with it then!
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Battle of Britain a draw!!!
Can't possibly have been .......
......... cos then surely the Luftwaffe would have won on penalties!
...hat ... coat ...etc
Can't possibly have been .......
......... cos then surely the Luftwaffe would have won on penalties!
...hat ... coat ...etc