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Old 26th Jun 2020, 10:27
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So on that basis you implicitly propose that EVERY cable launch gliding site in the UK should now have an ATZ around it.

That'll make the chart look quite something.
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Old 26th Jun 2020, 22:17
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Safer to avoid

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What would you suggest is a good avoid of an Air Cadet Gliding field? Vertical? Lateral? For all directions? 2000ft AGL? 2-2.5 miles? Clear of Cloud? What would cover that?
If only on the basis that winch cables are to all intent and purpose invisible, and a glider on launch has a more restricted forward view, then the 'safest' option is to avoid the area to the side.
Of course it may well be that 'other aviation non gliding activities' will happen at LR so that is why they wish to sanitise more space.
It becomes confusing when you have an ATZ but no ATC to notify of activity, and the notam system is not a reliable medium to cover this, as it is already overloaded with an excess of info.
The most important thing is the Cadets have a Gliding site again.


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Old 27th Jun 2020, 08:20
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Is there accomodation at Rissy for overnight stays? When I was there in '91, we stayed at South Cerney; helluva trek every day; at least I was able to arrange to collect evening meals from Brize (the VGS parent station) every day rather than close down, trek to Cerney, evening meal then back to Rissy and fly until dark.
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 19:25
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No but there is going to be.
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 20:03
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You mean more accommodation. On top of the brand new (2017) accommodation block with integrated feeder, that matched the fully refurbished Sqn HQ and the brand new hangar? While other VGS carrynon with clapped out end of life leaking portcabins?
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 17:03
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Spotted on another forum;
it would be useful to let people know that the Dept for Transport publish, on a monthly basis, all grants/expenditure over 25k. In their Feb 2020 spreadsheet you will find a Grant to Aerobility to refurbish Vigilant gliders of 745,000.
What a pity that nobody associated with air cadet flying could have been bothered to bid for this grant!

Looking at that spreadsheet, it is interesting to note that they give Bristow Helicopters in the region of 16M each month for SAR provision. Can this be right?

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Old 5th Oct 2020, 20:16
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Enjoyed being able to pass on the good news today, to the Officers Commanding VGS and AGS, that the AOC 22 Gp has given permission for the return of RAF air cadet gliding and aerospace training. Looking forward to welcoming our cadets back into 2 FTS over the coming months.

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Time to close the thread !
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Old 6th Oct 2020, 07:27
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Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09 View Post
Enjoyed being able to pass on the good news today, to the Officers Commanding VGS and AGS, that the AOC 22 Gp has given permission for the return of RAF air cadet gliding and aerospace training. Looking forward to welcoming our cadets back into 2 FTS over the coming months.
Time to close the thread !
Not so much, no...

The Air Cadets has still lost over 50% of flying availability, the Vikings are soon to be out of service with no talk of replacements, and the spread of VGS and AEF units is woeful.
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Old 6th Oct 2020, 08:30
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How do they bypass the rule of 6 mularkey....is it the 'Training /Education get out'?

I would have thought trying to run a VGS with COVID restrictions is a minefield.....
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Old 6th Oct 2020, 09:40
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Originally Posted by 622 View Post
How do they bypass the rule of 6 mularkey....is it the 'Training /Education get out'?

I would have thought trying to run a VGS with COVID restrictions is a minefield.....
Youth groups / education has been deemed necessary.

However, that doesn't begin to cover actually getting kids to flying locations. Air Cadet volunteers have been pretty much banned from transporting anybody except themselves, so unless parents are willing to cart kids a few hours, drop them off, not be allowed on the station themselves, wait a few hours for no flying to take place because it looks a bit windy, then drive back again... This amounts to nothing but a PR exercise.
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Old 6th Oct 2020, 13:01
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Not much of a minefield,

Wash hands regularly
Wear a face covering when required
Maintain 1m+ SD
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Old 6th Oct 2020, 17:16
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How do they handle things like parachute change overs.....do they sanitise between occupants?...all those dribbly cadets!,,,,

...and then there are the A/C themselves at crew changes.....and the vehicles.
When you look at the so called advice in the real world when you have had passengers in your car .....it’s practically a full valet!
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Old 6th Oct 2020, 17:34
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Originally Posted by Tingger View Post
Not much of a minefield,

Wash hands regularly
Wear a face covering when required
Maintain 1m+ SD
Air cadet guidance - which has gone to them from the RAF - is for equipment to be quarantined for 72 hrs between uses.
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Old 6th Oct 2020, 19:46
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Originally Posted by Tingger View Post
Not much of a minefield,

Wash hands regularly
Wear a face covering when required
Maintain 1m+ SD
and clap, don't forget to clap.
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Old 6th Oct 2020, 21:39
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Originally Posted by muppetofthenorth View Post
Air cadet guidance - which has gone to them from the RAF - is for equipment to be quarantined for 72 hrs between uses.
There is no requirement in the RAFAC guidance to quarantine equipment for 72 hours, this only appears in relation to returned clothing.

622 - clean the aircraft in accordance with Engineers advice, minimise sharing of equipment so not everyone gets to put a cable on. Gliding clubs have been operating since May for solo and flying training organisations since July
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Old 29th Oct 2020, 05:30
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https://www.flyer.co.uk/aerobility-o...8e1b-300381213

Get yourself a nice ex MOD airframe, only dropped once.

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Old 29th Oct 2020, 11:05
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Hmm...so these are the same aircraft that could not be returned to service with the Air Cadets?
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Old 29th Oct 2020, 18:31
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My glider club is seeing an influx of young people who want to get their GPL because sadly it looks like all glider flying for the Canadian Air Cadets has been cancelled right through next summer. A whole cohort of young people will miss their chance to get their GPL's through the excellent free Air Cadet program due to COVID-19

Even if things start to get back to normal in 2022 the program will have lost its momentum and critical staff may have drifted away. As well every aspect of the Cadet experience has been diminished by draconian COVID protocols that are already resulting in young people leaving due to the lack of interesting and engaging activities on offer. Lack of flying may be the least of the problems for every nations Air Cadet program....

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Old 29th Oct 2020, 19:12
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Hmm...so these are the same aircraft that could not be returned to service with the Air Cadets?
Absolutely scandalous what has happened to these aircraft!

Wonder if the DfT would give a certain 'youth organisation' a grant to buy them back?
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Old 29th Oct 2020, 20:12
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It' not the VGS you need to worry about it's the ATC in general

My grandsons squadron is in danger of closure because of a lack of adult staff, a problem common throughout the corps and indeed nearly all other youth movements. As a correspondent for local newspaper I lost track of the times I reported on the closure of scout and guide troops for the same reason. Great to have some muted form of GVS activity but they may well find themselves whistling dixie the supply of cadet blood drains away. Cadet recruitment isn't an issue grandson has seen his unit double in size. Covid of course has strangled nearly all activity. He was lucky to have his first glider AEF a week before shutdown
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