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Old 4th Dec 2019, 17:27
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No wind up Pobjoy I quite agree with you. I had fondly imagined that the fence, crap though it is, heralded the return to flying by 615 in 2019... some hope. If 2FTS are incapable of organising a return to flying then Surrey Hills should be granted clearance to fly at weekends and air-minded cadets pointed in their direction.

I spoke to a young female cadet a year or two back and asked if any flying was on the cards; she'd won a scholarship for a gliding course and was looking forward to taking it up.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 21:35
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Tread's Your image is actually quite historic in a interesting way. Looking beyond the disgraceful fence and signs you will see the track that was the original Hayes Lane that was the western boundary of Kenley going back to WW1 (It was an acceptance park) built on Kenley common. Prior to WW2 when the airfield was extended, and provided with runways, a peri track and blast bays, Hayes Lane was a public route, and indeed we used to get locals still using it in the 60's which prompted a quick response from the winches to stop them getting a free 'LIFT' by our cables. To the left of image by about 40 yards is the location of the famous 'Spitfire in its blast pen image', taken by one of the attacking Dorniers on the 18th Aug 1940. Together with its near neighbours Biggin Hill (to the east) and the famous Croydon Airport to the north (all in 11 Group) Kenley (a sector station) played a crucial part in the summer of 1940, and then went on to house offensive Wings on sweeps over 'the other side'.
To be based there as a Cadet with 450 Sdn and later 615 GS was a amazing experience as the Camp was still in its wartime camo, and bore the scars of wartime attacks.
Due to its proximity to London, Kent, Surrey, and Sussex Air Cadet units it should have been one of the first VGS to get 'unpaused' but over 5 years later Treads tells us no sign of ATC Gliding !!! A great testimonial to those who head up ATC Gliding.
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Old 12th Jan 2020, 17:16
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I am an ex A2 Instructor, and lately BGA instructor. Having flown the Slinbsby MK 3 and Sedbergs and later the Vikings. I just have to make a small point that is subjective. It is simply that even in the last years of WW2 and the post war years the Air Cadet Gliding Movement was born. Posterity and government cuts more severe than now. It is so sad that individuals with no names have destroyed an organisation that is non political and only ever did good work for the individual Air Cadets and the wider community. RIP.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 20:57
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 12:26
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Facebook page sez 615 start flying again in April, this year, or have i got the wrong April?

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Old 26th Jan 2020, 13:04
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Well, fingers crossed! Is it six years? Or seven...

Six. Longer than World War 2...
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 17:01
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Originally Posted by aw ditor View Post
Facebook page sez 615 start flying again in April, this year, or have i got the wrong April?

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Great news.
I wish they would do the same with 613 at Halton; there is a huge 'gap' north west of London with no gliding schools where there used to be 4: 613 Halton, 612 Abingdon (previously Benson) and 616 Henlow all before the 'pause' plus 617 Bovingdon (ex Hendon) until 1970.
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 17:37
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Having more VGS' is only half the story. An alarming number of the recently re-installed locations only fly on weekdays, which is useless floor the vast majority of cadets who can't get time off school, and their volunteer staff who can't get time off work.

Sure, it looks great on paper, but it's a noticeably poorer attraction.
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 21:13
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Originally Posted by muppetofthenorth View Post
Having more VGS' is only half the story. An alarming number of the recently re-installed locations only fly on weekdays, which is useless floor the vast majority of cadets who can't get time off school, and their volunteer staff who can't get time off work.

Sure, it looks great on paper, but it's a noticeably poorer attraction.
All of the reinstated VGS operate on weekends, some of the AEFs only operate during the week
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 10:08
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Originally Posted by Tingger View Post
All of the reinstated VGS operate on weekends, some of the AEFs only operate during the week
I thought AEFs operated the same days a UAS' ie tue - sun; I did hear of a problem at Wittering due to the part contracted out ATC though.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 15:30
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When 5 AEF moved from Wyton to Wittering in March 2013 there was certainly a long pause in ATC (as opposed to CCF) cadets being able to access flying owing to the fact that Wittering's air traffic had been civilianised and were not contracted to work weekends. That is no longer the case and hasn't been for quite some considerable time.
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 08:28
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615 VGS Rising again

Good news for Air Cadet gliding from Kenley. 615 has a new HQ and looking to be operational again in March.(6 years on). Fittingly 615 will be able to celebrate its return to actual flight as opposed to the PTT during the 80th anniversary of the Battle of Britain, and maintains that link with 615 County of Surrey Squadron (Hurricanes) that had Kenley as its pre war home airfield.
Indeed a historic and welcome boost to the Air Cadets in the London and South East as Kenley can provide excellent access to a large number of Squadrons.
There will be operational challenges to deal with as the airfield has become more accessible to the public, and a fence now divides the peri track, but as in 1940 Kenley has survived not only the Luftwaffe but the difficulties of local development and 'own goals' from the MOD.
Treads will no doubt post some images when the Vikings appear on the airfield again.

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Old 12th Feb 2020, 17:48
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I shall be delighted to be able to do so!

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Old 13th Feb 2020, 17:27
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Kenley rises yet again

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I shall be delighted to be able to do so!
The Gliders are no problem Treads, just watch out for the speeding cyclists, ramblers, runners, dog walkers, and poo. !!!
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Old 16th Feb 2020, 13:15
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I've been asked to post this excellent painting of events at Kenley nearly 80 years ago - Kenley now hopefully rising again after its latest drama!
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Old 16th Feb 2020, 17:40
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
I've been asked to post this excellent painting of events at Kenley nearly 80 years ago - Kenley now hopefully rising again after its latest drama!
Excellent painting. An interesting detail is the use of the rocket launched 'parachute & cable' air defence system, shown just after launch on the northern perimeter. It plucked one of the Dorniers out of the sky, and another struck one of the cables but escaped serious damage. The system and its operation are described in detail in the excellent book 'The Hardest Day' by Alfred Price.
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Old 16th Feb 2020, 20:53
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I recall a time when this thread used to be about the state of gliding in the Air Cadets with relevant contributions from the likes of tucumseh and Engines.
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Old 16th Feb 2020, 21:07
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Originally Posted by campbeex View Post
I recall a time when this thread used to be about the state of gliding in the Air Cadets with relevant contributions from the likes of tucumseh and Engines.
Everyone is resigned to the fact that motor gliding within the Air Cadets is dead, that sailplane gliding is a shadow of it's former self, and that the Air Cadets' Vikings are out of service in a year with no mention of any replacement anywhere.
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Old 16th Feb 2020, 21:14
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Originally Posted by campbeex View Post
I recall a time when this thread used to be about the state of gliding in the Air Cadets with relevant contributions from the likes of tucumseh and Engines.
It still is, RAF Kenley is about to start ATC Gliding(Viking) operations again, It just happens to also coincide with the 80th anniversary of the Battle of Britain, and Kenley is the only Cadet Gliding field to have been part of that. 615 VGS (formerly 615 Gliding School ) has been at Kenley since inception, and is the only reason that the airfield has survived as long. The Air Cadets have a proud and historic location that can now serve the 'Cadet rich' area of London and the S-east again.
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Old 17th Feb 2020, 08:45
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Originally Posted by muppetofthenorth View Post
Everyone is resigned to the fact that motor gliding within the Air Cadets is dead, that sailplane gliding is a shadow of it's former self, and that the Air Cadets' Vikings are out of service in a year with no mention of any replacement anywhere.
I for one am appalled at the way the Air Cadets have been let down by those in charge at the top; but despite this the organisation still has a shed load of brand new winches and a quantity of 'refurbished' Vikings. Apart from anything else 2FTS will still want to keep themselves employed, and in the case of Kenley which serves the largest catchment area of all they have been provided with a brand new HQ on what is a secure site. The Vigilants have been killed off due to the lack of will to engage with the engine issue of being on extension, and despite an LAA based project to sort this out it no doubt suited those who wanted to 'bury the dead' for the patient to stay dead. The Vikings have now been effectively given an extra life, so with Kenley (615), (and soon 626) getting new facilities I think there must be a 10 year future at least. This is enough time to look at, and organise replacement equipment if the budget and will exists.
Either way although we will not see the organisation 'as it was' it at least still gives an 'AIR' element to those Cadets who aspire to train to solo standard.
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