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Old 4th Dec 2019, 12:48
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I wish we could be sure the same will happen at other ex VGS sites like Halton.
There is no 'need' to build houses on Halton airfield as the main camp is sufficient to supply building land for many years when it eventually closes (presently projected for 2025)
I understand that Aylesbury Vale District Council has so far not included the airfield in its local plan so maybe there's hope for it yet either to re-establish a VGS or maybe become a civil airfield if MOD dispose of it.
The same could be said of Henlow.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 16:04
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ACTIVE KENLEY

Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
Just about a year since I posted some images of the new peri-track fence being erected at Kenley. No sign of 615 resuming gliding ops yet, though Surrey Hills do keep the airfield active on weekdays.

A new sign has appeared in the last couple of months...

Are you trying to wind me up Treds !!! As far as Kenley is concerned the ATC are not active nor have been since 2014. What should be a highly productive VGS is moribund with the airfield now reduced in size and rapidly becoming a cycling track. If you look at the facebook pages all the talk is about closing gates, dog mess, and cyclist's running over walkers, nothing about ATC Gliding. With 2FTS as the Airfield guardians they have turned a proud Battle of Britain heritage site into a free for all for clashes between walkers and cyclists but no ATC Flying.
Allowing a fence to divide the listed original peri track was a crass decision from 2FTS, and has ruined a fine loction plus will make resumed operations even more difficult.
Yet another C...U.. from the desk of the prev CO head of Air Cadet gliding at Syerston.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 17:27
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No wind up Pobjoy I quite agree with you. I had fondly imagined that the fence, crap though it is, heralded the return to flying by 615 in 2019... some hope. If 2FTS are incapable of organising a return to flying then Surrey Hills should be granted clearance to fly at weekends and air-minded cadets pointed in their direction.

I spoke to a young female cadet a year or two back and asked if any flying was on the cards; she'd won a scholarship for a gliding course and was looking forward to taking it up.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 21:35
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Tread's Your image is actually quite historic in a interesting way. Looking beyond the disgraceful fence and signs you will see the track that was the original Hayes Lane that was the western boundary of Kenley going back to WW1 (It was an acceptance park) built on Kenley common. Prior to WW2 when the airfield was extended, and provided with runways, a peri track and blast bays, Hayes Lane was a public route, and indeed we used to get locals still using it in the 60's which prompted a quick response from the winches to stop them getting a free 'LIFT' by our cables. To the left of image by about 40 yards is the location of the famous 'Spitfire in its blast pen image', taken by one of the attacking Dorniers on the 18th Aug 1940. Together with its near neighbours Biggin Hill (to the east) and the famous Croydon Airport to the north (all in 11 Group) Kenley (a sector station) played a crucial part in the summer of 1940, and then went on to house offensive Wings on sweeps over 'the other side'.
To be based there as a Cadet with 450 Sdn and later 615 GS was a amazing experience as the Camp was still in its wartime camo, and bore the scars of wartime attacks.
Due to its proximity to London, Kent, Surrey, and Sussex Air Cadet units it should have been one of the first VGS to get 'unpaused' but over 5 years later Treads tells us no sign of ATC Gliding !!! A great testimonial to those who head up ATC Gliding.
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Old 12th Jan 2020, 17:16
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I am an ex A2 Instructor, and lately BGA instructor. Having flown the Slinbsby MK 3 and Sedbergs and later the Vikings. I just have to make a small point that is subjective. It is simply that even in the last years of WW2 and the post war years the Air Cadet Gliding Movement was born. Posterity and government cuts more severe than now. It is so sad that individuals with no names have destroyed an organisation that is non political and only ever did good work for the individual Air Cadets and the wider community. RIP.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 20:57
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 12:26
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Facebook page sez 615 start flying again in April, this year, or have i got the wrong April?

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Old 26th Jan 2020, 13:04
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Well, fingers crossed! Is it six years? Or seven...

Six. Longer than World War 2...
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 17:01
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Originally Posted by aw ditor View Post
Facebook page sez 615 start flying again in April, this year, or have i got the wrong April?

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Great news.
I wish they would do the same with 613 at Halton; there is a huge 'gap' north west of London with no gliding schools where there used to be 4: 613 Halton, 612 Abingdon (previously Benson) and 616 Henlow all before the 'pause' plus 617 Bovingdon (ex Hendon) until 1970.
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 17:37
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Having more VGS' is only half the story. An alarming number of the recently re-installed locations only fly on weekdays, which is useless floor the vast majority of cadets who can't get time off school, and their volunteer staff who can't get time off work.

Sure, it looks great on paper, but it's a noticeably poorer attraction.
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 21:13
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Originally Posted by muppetofthenorth View Post
Having more VGS' is only half the story. An alarming number of the recently re-installed locations only fly on weekdays, which is useless floor the vast majority of cadets who can't get time off school, and their volunteer staff who can't get time off work.

Sure, it looks great on paper, but it's a noticeably poorer attraction.
All of the reinstated VGS operate on weekends, some of the AEFs only operate during the week
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 10:08
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Originally Posted by Tingger View Post
All of the reinstated VGS operate on weekends, some of the AEFs only operate during the week
I thought AEFs operated the same days a UAS' ie tue - sun; I did hear of a problem at Wittering due to the part contracted out ATC though.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 15:30
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When 5 AEF moved from Wyton to Wittering in March 2013 there was certainly a long pause in ATC (as opposed to CCF) cadets being able to access flying owing to the fact that Wittering's air traffic had been civilianised and were not contracted to work weekends. That is no longer the case and hasn't been for quite some considerable time.
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 08:28
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615 VGS Rising again

Good news for Air Cadet gliding from Kenley. 615 has a new HQ and looking to be operational again in March.(6 years on). Fittingly 615 will be able to celebrate its return to actual flight as opposed to the PTT during the 80th anniversary of the Battle of Britain, and maintains that link with 615 County of Surrey Squadron (Hurricanes) that had Kenley as its pre war home airfield.
Indeed a historic and welcome boost to the Air Cadets in the London and South East as Kenley can provide excellent access to a large number of Squadrons.
There will be operational challenges to deal with as the airfield has become more accessible to the public, and a fence now divides the peri track, but as in 1940 Kenley has survived not only the Luftwaffe but the difficulties of local development and 'own goals' from the MOD.
Treads will no doubt post some images when the Vikings appear on the airfield again.

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Old 12th Feb 2020, 17:48
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I shall be delighted to be able to do so!

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Old 13th Feb 2020, 17:27
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Kenley rises yet again

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I shall be delighted to be able to do so!
The Gliders are no problem Treads, just watch out for the speeding cyclists, ramblers, runners, dog walkers, and poo. !!!
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Old 16th Feb 2020, 13:15
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I've been asked to post this excellent painting of events at Kenley nearly 80 years ago - Kenley now hopefully rising again after its latest drama!
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Old 16th Feb 2020, 17:40
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
I've been asked to post this excellent painting of events at Kenley nearly 80 years ago - Kenley now hopefully rising again after its latest drama!
Excellent painting. An interesting detail is the use of the rocket launched 'parachute & cable' air defence system, shown just after launch on the northern perimeter. It plucked one of the Dorniers out of the sky, and another struck one of the cables but escaped serious damage. The system and its operation are described in detail in the excellent book 'The Hardest Day' by Alfred Price.
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Old 16th Feb 2020, 20:53
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I recall a time when this thread used to be about the state of gliding in the Air Cadets with relevant contributions from the likes of tucumseh and Engines.
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Old 16th Feb 2020, 21:07
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Originally Posted by campbeex View Post
I recall a time when this thread used to be about the state of gliding in the Air Cadets with relevant contributions from the likes of tucumseh and Engines.
Everyone is resigned to the fact that motor gliding within the Air Cadets is dead, that sailplane gliding is a shadow of it's former self, and that the Air Cadets' Vikings are out of service in a year with no mention of any replacement anywhere.
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