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Air Cadets grounded?

Old 26th Jun 2019, 15:36
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The thread seems to have been thoroughly hijacked, so:

Gliders in the 1950's and '60s landed out much more frequently, and so 'interesting' stories were more common. One pilot landing in the grounds of a stately home was invited to have a restorative drink until the crew arrived. An hour or two later the butler announced 'The gentleman's crew has arrived'. Certainly, said the Duke of B...., give him refreshment in the servants' quarters while we finish here. "Certainly, my lord, I will show Sir Roger Conant to the servants' quarters.". A slight rearrangement of the hospitality was arranged.

Meanwhile, how can pressure be applied to give today's youth the introduction to gliding my generation had, leading in my case to 59 years (and still counting) of an enthralling pastime.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 19:05
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Originally Posted by Fitter2 View Post
The thread seems to have been thoroughly hijacked, so:

Meanwhile, how can pressure be applied to give today's youth the introduction to gliding my generation had, leading in my case to 59 years (and still counting) of an enthralling pastime.
Get Slingsbys to re-start Mk 3 production?
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 08:54
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chevvron,

You'll have to "re-start" Slingsby's first...
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 10:04
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We all well OT here. See it as right relief from the tragedy that has befallen the ATC.

My own favourite 'land out' story:
My third (failed) attempt at my Silver distance. At Sutton Bank, on my instructor's ticket week, I had an afternoon off, Henrik Doktor (anyone remember him?) the CFI of the Yorkshire club decided I should go on a cross country to complete my Silver C as the conditions were favourable. So my own glider was rigged, and off I went, declaring Whitby. After an interesting flight over the North Yorkshire moors, including an ascent to 8000ft in a huge cloud (I had an artificial horizon fitted) I ran out of lift and landed in a nice paddock behind a big house about five miles short of goal. As I got out of the glider I saw a group of very smartly dressed people around my age, advancing across the field waving and laughing. It turned out They were celebrating a 21st birthday and thought that I was glidergram. Explaining that I wasn't, I was nevertheless invited to the party, and after letting my crew know where I was, and taking the wings off the glider and parking it against the hedge, I went in to the party. It took my crew about two hours and a half to reach me, by which time they say I was 'feeling no pain at all'. I slept all the way back to the club, and had a monumental hangover the following day.

As for name dropping: I was once at a dinner party with a lot of folk I had never met before. The chap sitting next to me looked very familiar, but I couldn't remember where I had seen him before but thought he might be another engineer that I had met or seen at a conference or similar. Turning to him, to strike up a conversation as one does at such an affair, I asked what he had been before he retired. There was a short pause, and then he said "Lord Chief Justice" - he was Lord Wolff and I had seen him on TV the week before. Very nice man. Met him again later on holiday in Venice and he remembered me.
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 14:05
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Landing out

years ago, my father "landed out" at a UK missile base.
Many difficulties ensued, pointed guns etc.
Also UK schoolchildren attended - "those are the Thor (?) missiles".
One day I will see if I can find how that is recorded in his logbooks.
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 16:37
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With the eldest boy wanting to give Air cadets a go we took a walk down to our local squadron a few nights ago.
During a chat with the OC they confirmed that gliding is essentially off the menu but powered flight is still fairly frequent.
They then mentioned that shooting was seriously curtailed after "an incident" down south led to all weapons being recalled to central armouries.
Anyone know what's going on there?
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 17:03
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I was out gliding yesterday and was surprised to see 2 Canadian Air Cadet 2-33's and 2 tow planes at our field. Turned out their regular field was temporarily unavailable and they were just finishing off this years Glider Instructor Course in preparation for this summers regional gliding camp where 40 Air Cadets would hopefully graduate with a full glider pilot license. The youngest of the instructor candidates was an 18 year old in his third year of the Canadian Air Cadet Glider Program......
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 18:55
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Originally Posted by Tashengurt View Post
With the eldest boy wanting to give Air cadets a go we took a walk down to our local squadron a few nights ago.
During a chat with the OC they confirmed that gliding is essentially off the menu but powered flight is still fairly frequent.
They then mentioned that shooting was seriously curtailed after "an incident" down south led to all weapons being recalled to central armouries.
Anyone know what's going on there?
Army cadet compound had been broken into and rifles taken.

All air cadet-held rifles (including DP rifles) are being returned to secure locations until alarms and storage can be upgraded.
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 19:14
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No Gliding or Shooting

Originally Posted by Tashengurt View Post
With the eldest boy wanting to give Air cadets a go we took a walk down to our local squadron a few nights ago.
During a chat with the OC they confirmed that gliding is essentially off the menu but powered flight is still fairly frequent.
They then mentioned that shooting was seriously curtailed after "an incident" down south led to all weapons being recalled to central armouries.
Anyone know what's going on there?
It seems that a drill rifle went walkabout from a Squadron and due to case's (not ATC) of deactivated sometimes getting reactivated there was a big knee jerk, or should I say another knee jerk. All part of the great 'do nothing' syndrome so we are fireproof. As we have seen from the great Non Gliding scenario once you go down this route it is very difficult to reverse the situation. I think the 'fairly frequent flying' may also be a bit optimistic.
As someone who benefitted from the golden days of the Cadets it saddens me to see how we have reduced its aviation, and large bore shooting element, and I shudder at the thought of us being asked to fill shopping bags at a supermarket.
We have seen what happened when the Gliders paperwork was suspect (it has effectively killed off the system as we knew it) I can not imagine 'upgrading' rifle storage will be a happy experience. Of course there will be an opening for a 'virtual range', and as with the PTT that will become the norm.

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Old 1st Jul 2019, 20:18
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Originally Posted by POBJOY View Post
It seems that a drill rifle went walkabout from a Squadron and due to case's (not ATC) of deactivated sometimes getting reactivated there was a big knee jerk, or should I say another knee jerk. All part of the great 'do nothing' syndrome so we are fireproof. As we have seen from the great Non Gliding scenario once you go down this route it is very difficult to reverse the situation. I think the 'fairly frequent flying' may also be a bit optimistic.
As someone who benefitted from the golden days of the Cadets it saddens me to see how we have reduced its aviation, and large bore shooting element, and I shudder at the thought of us being asked to fill shopping bags at a supermarket.
We have seen what happened when the Gliders paperwork was suspect (it has effectively killed off the system as we knew it) I can not imagine 'upgrading' rifle storage will be a happy experience. Of course there will be an opening for a 'virtual range', and as with the PTT that will become the norm.
When I took over as OC 1811 (Marlow) Sqdn I found that I had a huge ex TA drill hall complete with 20 yd small bore range. A WSO visit a few months previously resulted in the range being closed, even though it had been safely used for small bore shooting for nearly 100 years, because it didn't comply with then current regs.(there was a glass window near the butts)
I managed to get it approved for air rifle shooting but it will take a lot of jumping though hoops to get it re-instated for small bore (.22 cal)
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 12:49
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Originally Posted by muppetofthenorth View Post
Army cadet compound had been broken into and rifles taken.

All air cadet-held rifles (including DP rifles) are being returned to secure locations until alarms and storage can be upgraded.
Air rifle shooting is the new ‘norm’, an easy and inexpensive way of getting cadets into shooting.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 14:32
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Originally Posted by Pegasus107 View Post
Air rifle shooting is the new ‘norm’, an easy and inexpensive way of getting cadets into shooting.
Not when you're not allowed to have the rifles, it isn't.
They've taken wooden drill rifles off people, air rifles are the devil's work in comparison...

Originally Posted by POBJOY View Post
I shudder at the thought of us being asked to fill shopping bags at a supermarket.
​​​​​​​With the anti-plastic campaign in full swing, that's going to happen less and less. Nobody uses bags.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 15:46
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shopping bags at a supermarket.
With the anti-plastic campaign in full swing, that's going to happen less and less. Nobody uses bags.
​​​​​​​Huh?
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Old 8th Jul 2019, 20:29
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Lots of gliding at the VGS at Little Rissington. 3 of our cadets (290 Sqn, W-s-M) got their Blue wings this weekend.
VGS's are more 'regional' now, having been reduced in number from, I think, 22 down to 14 schools. We get 2 or 3 air experience slots per year, for 6 or 8 cadets at a time. St Mawgan in the summer period hosts an AEF, (I really do look forward to driving a minibus 31/2 hrs each way down the longest cul-de-sac in the country, in the holiday season) Boscombe occasionally, and RNAS Yeovilton have been very kind to us recently.
Bag-packing to raise funds is not my favourite activity but it demands commitment from the cadets and educates them on the cost of providing non-core activities and acquiring and maintaining equipment.

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Old 8th Jul 2019, 22:06
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Originally Posted by Riskman View Post
Lots of gliding at the VGS at Little Rissington. 3 of our cadets (290 Sqn, W-s-M) got their Blue wings this weekend.
VGS's are more 'regional' now, having been reduced in number from, I think, 22 down to 14 schools. We get 2 or 3 air experience slots per year, for 6 or 8 cadets at a time. St Mawgan in the summer period hosts an AEF, (I really do look forward to driving a minibus 31/2 hrs each way down the longest cul-de-sac in the country, in the holiday season) Boscombe occasionally, and RNAS Yeovilton have been very kind to us recently.
Bag-packing to raise funds is not my favourite activity but it demands commitment from the cadets and educates them on the cost of providing non-core activities and acquiring and maintaining equipment.

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14 were disbanded, there are now ostensibly 11+CGS. There isn't lots of gliding going on, however you look at it.

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Old 9th Jul 2019, 09:26
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10 now 631 changed to an AGS after the end of the vigilant
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 10:24
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Good to see two 'Vikings' flying from Topcliffe this weekend.
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 14:37
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I helped out at a 'Flying Evening' for Derby Scouts at Saltby Monday. I flew seven trips in the BGC Perkoz, six Scouts and one Leader, and the Puchaz did about the same. All the kids loved it - it wasn't complicated.
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