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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 16:57
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Are the Russians taking a tougher stance ?

Just seen this:

RAF Jet Chases Russian Planes Away From UK
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No, thats just business as usual
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ensured they did not plan to fly into British airspace
Just how would the Typhoon pilots know what the Tu-95 "planned"?

What is considered "British airspace" in these circumstances. Is it the 12 nm limit or is there an ADIZ?
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Just like it was in the seventies! Only then we could scramble two jets from each of Leuchars, Binbrook and Wattisham! Plenty of tanker coverage too!

How quickly the public forget!
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No. As already pointed out it is business as usual. I believe it has been about around 6 months since the Tu-95MS were last in the region?

Business as usual and only really amounts to around a dozen flights in a year.

Parliament - Written Answers to Questions 24th January 2013

Thursday 24 January 2013
Angus Robertson (Moray, Scottish National Party)

To ask the Secretary of State for Defence on how many occasions Royal Air Force aircraft have been launched to monitor Russian aircraft approaching UK airspace in each of the last three years; and where each such flight was (a) directed and (b) scrambled from.

Andrew Robathan (South Leicestershire, Conservative)

Royal Air Force quick reaction alert (QRA) aircraft are based at RAF Leuchars and RAF Coningsby. The number of days on which QRA aircraft have launched in response to Russian military aviation that approached or entered the NATO air policing area for which the UK has responsibility in the each of the last three years is contained in the following table. The Russian aircraft remained in international airspace at all times. Not every launch resulted in an interception as some incidents were resolved prior to interception.

Number of days QRA launched in response to Russian military aviation
2010 11
2011 10
2012 8
House of Commons Hansard Written Answers for 24 Jan 2013 (pt 0001)

It has been the Japanese that has seen an increase in Russian strategic bomber flights.

From April 19th

Japan scrambles fighters against Russian bombers for 6 days in row

The Japanese Air Self-Defense Force scrambled fighter jets after three pairs of Russian Tupolev Tu-95 bombers were detected flying around the Japanese archipelago Friday, the Defense Ministry's Joint Staff office announced.

While they did not violate Japanese airspace, this was the sixth day in a row in which Russian military planes were spotted flying close to Japan.

It is rare for the ASDF to scramble against as many as six foreign aircraft in a day. The ministry is analyzing motives behind Russia's heightened activities.
Japan scrambles fighters against Russian bombers for 6 days in row | GlobalPost
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"RAF jet chases Russian planes away from UK". It would be far better that the realities of Military flying in international airspace were correctly reported. The headline is a lie and, I have never seen accurate reporting of such events by UK Gov or MOD.

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Daily Mail howler

Or accurate reporting in the Mail, for that matter. Has frontal shot of Typhoon and rear facing shot of a Tornado at Leuchars. But let's not the facts get in the way of a good story....
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What is considered "British airspace" in these circumstances. Is it the 12 nm limit or is there an ADIZ?
I believe Vlad would think anything above London, isn't there a significant amount of Russian speakers there.
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After reading Bod Prest's book Phantom Pilot, I'd be worried when we got to Q10 onwards, well maybe Q4 these days.
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A Russian Air Force aircraft will be conducting an observation mission over the UK today. A NOTAM is active for the 24th April. Keep your eyes peeled for an Antonov 30 Clank that is operating out of RAF Brize Norton.

Photos: Antonov An-30 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

Russia to Perform Observation Flight over Great Britain

A group of Russian inspectors is expected to conduct an observation flight aboard an observation plane An-30B over the territory of the UK within the framework of the Treaty on Open Skies. This statement was made by Sergey Ryzhkov, Head of the National Nuclear Risk Reduction Center.

“The observation flight will be performed on April 22 – 25 from the Open Skies airbase at Brize Norton and will cover a maximum range of up to 2,400 kilometers. The observation flight will be conducted for the purpose of greater openness of the Open Skies Treaty’s member states,” Mr. Ryzhkov noted.

The Russian aircraft An-30B will make a flight along a route agreed upon with the British side, and UK experts will control the application of surveillance equipment and observation of treaty provisions.
Russia to Perform Observation Flight over Great Britain
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Netherlands military spokesman reveals that the Tu-95s yesterday encroached half-mile into their airspace. I believe that the Netherlands have a 12 nautical mile limit?

Maj. Wilko Ter Horst said that the military learned around 3:50 p.m. (9:50 a.m. ET) that two Russian TU-95 bombers, known as Bears, had come a half-mile inside its airspace. A pair of Dutch F-16 military jets were then dispatched to escort the Russian planes and "ensure they (flew) out of our airspace," said Ter Horst, a Dutch military spokesman.
Dutch fighter jets intercept 2 Russian bombers in their airspace - CNN.com
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Amazing that when the Tu-95 is retired in 2040 (thanks wiki) it will be pushing 90. Obviously not each airframe will be that age (?) but impressive none the less.
What can we in the UK compare that with..............
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What can we in the UK compare that with..............
HM the Queen?
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Before I google, anyone know the maximum Q craft we have had to launch in one day ?
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What can we in the UK compare that with..............
BBMF

At this rate it could be the only thing going.
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will cover a maximum range of up to 2,400 kilometers
Blimey, 2,400 kilometers to where? Ohh that one's closed, no we dug that one up years ago, no that ones shut too, Ooh that ones for sale, you interested?

Or perhaps they are intending a trip to the Turkish scrappers to see the Royal Navy fleet.
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Son of brommers wrote

Obviously not each airframe will be that age (?)
The Tu-95MS Bear H are new build. The last came off the production line in the early 1990s. Serial production was started in 1981. The Bear H is the only variant in Air Force service.
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Op GREENFINCH tomorrow - see NOTAM

54) Posted 23 Apr 2014 16:20 GMT (17:20 BST) Tick here to remove this NOTAM from the maps and emails
H1160/14: Formation flying will take place

Q) EGTT/QWVLW/IV/M/W/000/060/5310N00132W093
ROUTE 3 OF 3 OP GREENFINCH 1/14. CATEGORY B FLIGHT PRIORITY OPEN
SKIES OVERFLIGHT FROM/TO 514500N 0013502W (BRIZE NORTON AD). AN
ANTONOV 30B ACFT, CALLSIGN OPEN SKIES 33F, WILL DEPART BRIZE NORTON
AT 1400,CLIMB ENROUTE AND FLY FLW ROUTE. END OF LEG (EOL)/WAYPOINT
(WP)POSITIONS, APRX TIMINGS AND FL/ALT (AMSL) ARE AS FOLLOWS.
EOL/WP EOL COORDINATES EOL TIMES FL/ALT(AMSL)
WP01 514050N 0014141W 1402 FL040
WP02 514112N 0015930W 1405 FL040
WP03 514747N 0021823W 1409 FL050
WP04 515411N 0021101W 1411 FL040 LOOP TURN
WP05 515336N 0020159W 1414 FL050
WP06 515951N 0020135W 1416 FL040
WP07 520203N 0025159W 1425 FL040
WP08 523810N 0024624W 1436 FL040
WP09 524437N 0024517W 1438 FL040
WP10 531144N 0025907W 1447 4000FT AMSL
WP11 531524N 0025358W 1448 4000FT AMSL
WP12 532449N 0030021W 1451 4000FT AMSL LOOP TURN
WP13 532851N 0025529W 1457 4000FT AMSL
WP14 534112N 0025551W 1501 4000FT AMSL
WP15 535305N 0024737W 1505 4000FT AMSL
WP16 534219N 0023647W 1509 4000FT AMSL
WP17 540114N 0013912W 1521 4000FT AMSL
WP18 541433N 0012446W 1526 FL050
WP19 542353N 0014513W 1531 FL050
WP20 543006N 0013615W 1533 FL040
WP21 543226N 0012834W 1535 FL040
WP22 543047N 0011615W 1537 FL040
WP23 543945N 0010929W 1540 FL040
WP24 542637N 0004614W 1546 FL050
WP25 540921N 0002337W 1553 FL050
WP26 540921N 0002337W 1604 FL040
WP27 531656N 0003517W 1611 FL040
WP28 531249N 0002909W 1613 FL040
WP29 530654N 0003344W 1615 FL040
WP30 530419N 0001617W 1618 FL040
WP31 530637N 0000403W 1620 FL040
WP32 524159N 0004154W 1630 FL040
WP33 523609N 0003442W 1632 FL040
WP34 523714N 0002252W 1634 FL040
WP35 521005N 0005959W 1645 FL040
WP36 515902N 0010526W 1648 FL040
WP37 520020N 0012507W 1652 FL040
WP38 514500N 0013502W 1657 FL050
ACFT HAS NON DEVIATING STATUS WI CONTROLLED AIRSPACE (CAS) AND IS
SUBJECT TO RADAR HANDOVER AT ALL TIMES. 14-04-0375/AS4
LOWER: Surface
UPPER: FL060
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Just a coincidence that the Russians are conducting "Open Skies"? Some would say, no!

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Old 24th Apr 2014, 19:34
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Just a coincidence that the Russians are conducting "Open Skies"?
These are scheduled well in advance just like the US / Czech one which US/Czech cancelled because of supposed bad weather 2 weeks ago, Russia followed agreed protocols but then ditched them and allowed flight take place 2 weeks late.
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Waypoint 36 looks like Courtney Mil Towers - time 1648Z. I hope he has his shutters up on his study!
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