RAF Lakenheath could close? EUCOM downsize
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RAF Lakenheath could close? EUCOM downsize
The struggle to downsize EUCOM - News - Stripes
Does not look too promising in particular by far and the thoughts in place probably could not come at a worse time, re Crimea.
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Does not look too promising in particular by far and the thoughts in place probably could not come at a worse time, re Crimea.
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Apparently Sweden is having second and third thoughts about spending less on defence and its politicians are talking about joining NATO and building more submarines.
They have not forgotten the simulated strike carried out in March last year and that, even though Moscow gave notice, the Swedes were unable to scramble a single Gripen and a couple of Danish F-16s from Lithuania were substituted.
It seems entirely plausible that the West should shed equipment, bases and personnel as if peace has broken out all over the planet and Putin has retired to write his memoirs.
They have not forgotten the simulated strike carried out in March last year and that, even though Moscow gave notice, the Swedes were unable to scramble a single Gripen and a couple of Danish F-16s from Lithuania were substituted.
It seems entirely plausible that the West should shed equipment, bases and personnel as if peace has broken out all over the planet and Putin has retired to write his memoirs.
Excellent post chopper with a link to a very well written article. If I had the time, I'd bring it into the 'War with Russia' thread. But I haven't, so will just hope interested parties read across.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Latest budget plans to chop one of the 3 Sqns at LK anyway - probably the F15Cs*.
*The overall plan issued by the Department of Defense will be to cut the Air Force’s fleet extensively over the next five years. This will see the 50 F-15C Eagles retired in 2015.............Active-duty aircraft will be hit first with approximately 21 overseas F15-C Eagles to go with another two from Nellis Air Force, Nev..............
*The overall plan issued by the Department of Defense will be to cut the Air Force’s fleet extensively over the next five years. This will see the 50 F-15C Eagles retired in 2015.............Active-duty aircraft will be hit first with approximately 21 overseas F15-C Eagles to go with another two from Nellis Air Force, Nev..............
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If Lakenheath closes, is there really any point in keeping Mildenhall? Not considering aircraft types so much as the logistic and economic effort required to maintain one airfield in an island country. Wouldn't it be better to either keep both or close both?
In my lifetime, major airfields at Bentwaters, Woodbridge, Upper Heyford, Alconbury and Greenham Common have gone. When the US had such a major presence, of course it made sense in a logistic sense, but I can't see how one base alone can justify the cost. It would be better to reopen Bitburg!
In my lifetime, major airfields at Bentwaters, Woodbridge, Upper Heyford, Alconbury and Greenham Common have gone. When the US had such a major presence, of course it made sense in a logistic sense, but I can't see how one base alone can justify the cost. It would be better to reopen Bitburg!
Key line in the article cited in the OP:
"No such congressional approval is needed to close or consolidate bases overseas"
Robert Gates, the recent SoS Def, puts in very black & white terms in his memoir Duty, the aggravation created by Congressmen when he tried to cut bases, manning, or procurement on their home turf.
Russia probably cannot afford its current level of defence spending, but at least Putain gets a lot of political reward for his roubles.
"No such congressional approval is needed to close or consolidate bases overseas"
Robert Gates, the recent SoS Def, puts in very black & white terms in his memoir Duty, the aggravation created by Congressmen when he tried to cut bases, manning, or procurement on their home turf.
Russia probably cannot afford its current level of defence spending, but at least Putain gets a lot of political reward for his roubles.
Arguably Mildenhall could also close and its roles and responsibilities could be moved to Fairford.
Assuming that the 493rd's F-15Cs do go, could the two F-15E squadrons be accommodated at Mildenhall, thereby allowing the continued use of Lakenheath's existing domestic site? Fairford could be brought into more regular use, hosting the current ferry/transit/staging flights that currently use Mildenhall.
Just a thought, no idea what the feasibility is.
Assuming that the 493rd's F-15Cs do go, could the two F-15E squadrons be accommodated at Mildenhall, thereby allowing the continued use of Lakenheath's existing domestic site? Fairford could be brought into more regular use, hosting the current ferry/transit/staging flights that currently use Mildenhall.
Just a thought, no idea what the feasibility is.
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MM,
Last year when the 'Hall had an F-15 squadron for a few weeks during the summer, as the runway was being done up and IIRC, the other two squadrons were out on deployment. SO tis possible but there's no HAS's there unfortunately.
One base on the Scenario 1 aspect of cuts appears to be oop on the Moors, considering its importance...and whats there - might as well close the Doughnut and call it a day if they are going to do that.
Plus the Budget cannot be too bad as might see a return to the Philippines to curb the Chinese aggression in the region.
Philippines to Let U.S. Build Military Facilities on Bases - Bloomberg
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Last year when the 'Hall had an F-15 squadron for a few weeks during the summer, as the runway was being done up and IIRC, the other two squadrons were out on deployment. SO tis possible but there's no HAS's there unfortunately.
One base on the Scenario 1 aspect of cuts appears to be oop on the Moors, considering its importance...and whats there - might as well close the Doughnut and call it a day if they are going to do that.
Plus the Budget cannot be too bad as might see a return to the Philippines to curb the Chinese aggression in the region.
Philippines to Let U.S. Build Military Facilities on Bases - Bloomberg
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RAF Lakenheath could close? EUCOM downsize
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My thoughts exactly. Given the size of Fairford I think it is too useful to close - especially if the USAF wants to rationalise elsewhere. So if you had to close anything, then moving remaining assets into Fairford makes sense.
Given what they do at Molesworth and Menwith Hill, I can't see them closing anytime soon as it would be too difficult to relocate anywhere else without an eye watering bill. So sadly as it seems, it does rather leave Lakenheath in the firing line, especially if they are getting rid of some if the 15s
My thoughts exactly. Given the size of Fairford I think it is too useful to close - especially if the USAF wants to rationalise elsewhere. So if you had to close anything, then moving remaining assets into Fairford makes sense.
Given what they do at Molesworth and Menwith Hill, I can't see them closing anytime soon as it would be too difficult to relocate anywhere else without an eye watering bill. So sadly as it seems, it does rather leave Lakenheath in the firing line, especially if they are getting rid of some if the 15s
apart from Lakenheath being a FOB for the US, does the UK get a call on its aircraft?
could we ask the F-15's to assist our QRA force for example, and would that be - to some degree - what they are in the UK for, or is it merely convenient real estate in preparation for operations elsewhere?
could we ask the F-15's to assist our QRA force for example, and would that be - to some degree - what they are in the UK for, or is it merely convenient real estate in preparation for operations elsewhere?
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If all assets in theory get moved to Fariford, are there hangarage for the SOG as well?
If Fairford gets canned, and with the reduced AMC/USAFE/SOG movements = RIAT can be held at the 'Hall so bringing back the Air Fete and the RIAT all under one roof
(wishful thinking as not keen on the near enough 400 mile round trip to RIAT)
And what about Spang - if theres only one squadron plus AMC ramp - if that goes, then end of near 7 decades of fighters present in Germany.
The ones in Hungary and Romania look a tad untouched.....
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If Fairford gets canned, and with the reduced AMC/USAFE/SOG movements = RIAT can be held at the 'Hall so bringing back the Air Fete and the RIAT all under one roof
(wishful thinking as not keen on the near enough 400 mile round trip to RIAT)And what about Spang - if theres only one squadron plus AMC ramp - if that goes, then end of near 7 decades of fighters present in Germany.
The ones in Hungary and Romania look a tad untouched.....
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If they did close down Mildenhall and Lakenheath, there has to be an argument for shutting down Brize and moving everything across to there. The facilities on those bases are decades ahead of Brize.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
A similar case was made for shutting Colt and a couple of other bases and moving to Woodbridge/Bentwaters when they moved out. But a detailed report showed all the wiring and infrastructure was 110v/60Hz - plus they were going to gut most buildings of everything non-structural so the costs escalated through the roof and it was cheaper to stay put - let alone the problem of relocating (or not being able to relocate) essential civil/reserve staff.
One of those paper exercises which always prove to be a pipe dream; hundred of millions up front for savings over 20 years which never materialise - and the. Ash up front isn't there anyway.
Old age and experience is not always cynicism.......
One of those paper exercises which always prove to be a pipe dream; hundred of millions up front for savings over 20 years which never materialise - and the. Ash up front isn't there anyway.
Old age and experience is not always cynicism.......
If I recall it was not only Colt that was on the chopping block-Wittering too.
Not sure about moving BZN to Mildenhall-just think of the journeys for all the pax. Still we usually spend a fortune on a base then close it.
Not sure about moving BZN to Mildenhall-just think of the journeys for all the pax. Still we usually spend a fortune on a base then close it.
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Then turn Brize into London's third Airport?
Cartoontown. After BZZ has closed and moved to Suffolk.
So, alternatively, move the 480th FS from Spangdahlem to join the other two F-16 squadrons at Aviano and shift the F-15Es to Spangdahlem. The Pave Hawks could hop across to Mildenhall. Job done, I guess.