what happened to camouflage ?
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what happened to camouflage ?
"Woah-oh-oh-oh, Camouflage....."
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Off topic as usual, we used to have nice white flying helmets- mine was a Mk3?- visor like a Mk1,and nice white gloves. Then it was decreed helmets and gloves should be tactical green - Harrier dispersal inspired I think. So now that aircraft are grey, are the helmets and gloves also???
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As always the US led, and still lead, the way on camo to defeat sensors of various kinds, including Mk.1 eyeball and IR
The United States of course, totally lacking an aircraft industry of any consequence in WW1, used British and French aircraft when they finally entered the conflict in 1917 .These usually retained their British and French designed camouflage schemes, with American national markings merely placed over the positioning of the French or British originator's cockades, the USA not having got to the stage of implementing its own aircraft camouflage schemes during that conflict, nor , indeed for many years after.
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Next thing you know Haraka will be claiming the Brits created "Light"!
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Avoiding any hand bagging about who and when, I believe it is a reasonable assumption on my part that aircraft cam in WW1, and indeed WW2, is a slightly different scenario than today's. Operating profiles is one thing, the 'threat' is another.
Things have changed a bit since "Happy Birthday, RFC"
Things have changed a bit since "Happy Birthday, RFC"
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Hemp was good for large aircraft parked on concrete aprons at ISK, Marham, St. Mawgan, Brize, etc...but only for the naked eye. Trouble is ISK also had a hangar painted brightly in the 80s so you could see for it miles, giving the game away should you have wished to fly your BACKFIRE 'feet dry' instead of fire some ungentlemanly stand-off weapon.
At warp 6 a Backfire will be steady on its bomb run well before aircraft on the ground can be seen even in daylight. If we imagined that Backfires would attempt low level attacks in UK by daylight then we were dreaming. Tacevals should have been run at night not in broad daylight.
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It would seem that Digital/Pixel Camouflage for aircraft is the next fashion statement 
Also called HyperStealth Technology ... apparently to be applied via templates to aircraft. The above pic is "simulated" to show what a Jordanian F-16 could look like ... Looks and sounds expensive
More here ...
HyperStealth goes Supersonic - Digital Camouflage for Mach 2+
Also called HyperStealth Technology ... apparently to be applied via templates to aircraft. The above pic is "simulated" to show what a Jordanian F-16 could look like ... Looks and sounds expensive
More here ...
HyperStealth goes Supersonic - Digital Camouflage for Mach 2+
Why Hemp?
The Hemp colour was not designed to camouflage our large aircraft from attacking enemy bombers.
It was a measure designed to make our aircraft harder to detect on Soviet Medium resolution reconnaissance satellites – which it did.
It forced ‘Old Joe Vodka’ to launch more of his High Resolution Satellites to do the same job.
And in doing so was another step to them becoming bankrupt – which is what ended the Cold War.
It was a measure designed to make our aircraft harder to detect on Soviet Medium resolution reconnaissance satellites – which it did.
It forced ‘Old Joe Vodka’ to launch more of his High Resolution Satellites to do the same job.
And in doing so was another step to them becoming bankrupt – which is what ended the Cold War.
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Tacevals should have been run at night not in broad daylight.
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what happened to camouflage ?
He passed away last night.
"Woah-oh-oh-oh, Camouflage....."
Absolutely priceless. Best and funniest post for me this years so far
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what happened to camouflage ?
He passed away last night.
"Woah-oh-oh-oh, Camouflage....."
Absolutely priceless. Best and funniest post for me this years so far
Next thing you know Haraka will be claiming the Brits created "Light"!
(Let's not let inconvenient facts ever get in the way of popular U.S. propaganda and self-delusion )
In other words SASless, you having decided to grandstand to us all in #25 and choosing to disparage my remarks in #24 , I now invite you to challenge me on any of the specific comments I made in that post.
Over to you
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Photos: McDonnell Douglas CF-188A Hornet (CF-18A) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Some other examples of the false canopy.
RAF Jaguar GR.1 Op Granby
RAF Jaguar: Fighter jets in desert colours during Desert Storm conflict fol - London Evening Standard
Hungarian Air Force Gripen
Photos: Saab JAS-39C Gripen Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Hungarian Air Force MiG-29
Photos: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Spanish Air Force Mirage F.1 (Canopy and Helmet)
Photos: Dassault Mirage F1CE(M) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Italian Navy AV-8B Harrier
Photos: McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II+ Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
A-10
Photos: Fairchild A-10C Thunderbolt II Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Still, the Canadians implemented the false canopy on their Hornets - can anyone comment on how effective it was to operate against?
Some other examples of the false canopy.
RAF Jaguar GR.1 Op Granby
RAF Jaguar: Fighter jets in desert colours during Desert Storm conflict fol - London Evening Standard
Hungarian Air Force Gripen
Photos: Saab JAS-39C Gripen Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Hungarian Air Force MiG-29
Photos: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Spanish Air Force Mirage F.1 (Canopy and Helmet)
Photos: Dassault Mirage F1CE(M) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Italian Navy AV-8B Harrier
Photos: McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II+ Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
A-10
Photos: Fairchild A-10C Thunderbolt II Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
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I never realised anyone else copied the idea.
Certainly never realised our Jags had them - surely not the whole fleet in Desert Storm?
Seems the sort of thing you would paint on just before the jets are sent on ops.
Certainly never realised our Jags had them - surely not the whole fleet in Desert Storm?
Seems the sort of thing you would paint on just before the jets are sent on ops.
I don't suppose the underwing stores and main gear Tires (Tyres) would be a slight giveaway on the A-10 when viewed by an Eagle-Eyed Fighter Pilot?
Surely, Teddy Taliban with his trusty RPG would tweak to which side was up!
Surely, Teddy Taliban with his trusty RPG would tweak to which side was up!