USMC Aviator receives British DFC
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Not a bad medal string, one MC and one War service medal.
Kind of says it all without any superfluous stuff to clutter it up.
Kind of says it all without any superfluous stuff to clutter it up.
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Strange the way they have them mounted, one as a single row and one as a double, but roughly the same amount of medals.
Out of interest what are the medals they hold?, and what are the V and Stars on the ribbons denote.
No offence meant, but I find the US medals just do not appear to resemble each other and with the bewildering array of ribbons you can get it must be difficult for people to know what one actually has, maybe it's just because I'm used to seeing them in silver as opposed to gold finish and we tend to have a core of medals that vary more in shape.
Out of interest what are the medals they hold?, and what are the V and Stars on the ribbons denote.
No offence meant, but I find the US medals just do not appear to resemble each other and with the bewildering array of ribbons you can get it must be difficult for people to know what one actually has, maybe it's just because I'm used to seeing them in silver as opposed to gold finish and we tend to have a core of medals that vary more in shape.
"V" device notes the award was for Valor.....some awards can be for performance without Valor.....ie the Bronze Star.
The "Star" you refer to I believe might be the "Oak Leaf Cluster" which is an indication of a subsequent award of the Medal.....thus two of the same for different events.
The USMC Policy on Awards and Decorations.....should answer most questions.
http://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/Pu...%201650.1H.pdf
The "Star" you refer to I believe might be the "Oak Leaf Cluster" which is an indication of a subsequent award of the Medal.....thus two of the same for different events.
The USMC Policy on Awards and Decorations.....should answer most questions.
http://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/Pu...%201650.1H.pdf
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Her full citation is here, one brave lady, just out of training a few months before.
Big day for 5ft Army medic who won MC - Telegraph
Big day for 5ft Army medic who won MC - Telegraph
To this day she remains modest: a 5ft tall slip of a girl, and yet one so courageous that she has become the first female officer to win the Military Cross.
Pte Michelle "Chuck" Norris, 19,
Pte Michelle "Chuck" Norris, 19,
Well done to the Private - she "done good".
Nutloose I think the advantage of two rows for larger groups is that the medal itself is more clearly visible. Our own single row system demands that medals are overlapped after the total exceeds 5. In very large groups (the largest I have seen was 13) most of the medals are pretty well obscured by their neighbours, as are the ribbons. I think Monty had 22 in this picture, the US Meritorious Service Medal is there, somewhere over to the right!
http://www.justmedals.com/PRODUCT/GR...icialSetFS.jpg
By the way this won't help you with Captain Jordan's group, but at the bottom of the Wiki entry for Captain Chesarek (see link on on post 29), there is a very clear illustration of his medal ribbons, with a key to identifying them.
Greenknight - nobody in the media these days has the remotest idea about the armed forces, even so-called defence correspondents come out with howlers like this all the time
http://www.justmedals.com/PRODUCT/GR...icialSetFS.jpg
By the way this won't help you with Captain Jordan's group, but at the bottom of the Wiki entry for Captain Chesarek (see link on on post 29), there is a very clear illustration of his medal ribbons, with a key to identifying them.
Greenknight - nobody in the media these days has the remotest idea about the armed forces, even so-called defence correspondents come out with howlers like this all the time
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This one impressed the heck out of me, especially bearing in mind his first medal
http://www.mhsa.org.au/images/Keith-...edal-Group.jpg
Includes a DSC and a Silver star
Military Historical Society of Australia - Queensland Branch
http://www.mhsa.org.au/images/Keith-...edal-Group.jpg
Includes a DSC and a Silver star
Military Historical Society of Australia - Queensland Branch
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Good old Keith Payne. It's a bloody impressive display of medals and
I believe the number has increased by 1 since then with the latest
Jubilee medal.
He's been out and about the last few years when the latest investitures
of VC's have occurred.
I believe the number has increased by 1 since then with the latest
Jubilee medal.
He's been out and about the last few years when the latest investitures
of VC's have occurred.
Remember the DSC is the second highest American Award for Gallantry....second only to the Medal of Honor. The Silver Star is the Third highest Award.
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Here is another one worth reading, another Aussie VC winner from Vietnam
Ray Simpson (VC) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
4 Wars
VC
DCM
Silver star
Bronze Star
Ray Simpson (VC) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
4 Wars
VC
DCM
Silver star
Bronze Star
West Coast, as well as his army pension, he will receive the annuity given to all holders of the Victoria Cross
Not a lot, but it's in the same league as the annuity paid in the UK.
Under Subsection 103.4 of the Veterans' Entitlements Act 1986, the Australian Government provides a Victoria Cross Allowance. Until November 2005 the amount was A$3,230 per year. Since then this amount has been increased annually in line with the Australian Consumer Price Index.
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I love the clueless reporting
so privates are officers now. I guess it is the modernisation of the military. 
To this day she remains modest: a 5ft tall slip of a girl, and yet one so courageous that she has become the first female officer to win the Military Cross.
Pte Michelle "Chuck" Norris, 19,
Pte Michelle "Chuck" Norris, 19,
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It just means a private in the UK is equivalent to a officer in some other countries 
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USCG aviator receives British AFC
I think @Wensleydale has been put straight on the award of our decorations to US and other foreign servicemen.
But to rub it in, I have tried and failed to find a PPRuNe thread where I mentioned a Lt William Strasser USCG on exchange who went home with a well deserved AFC. Looking for him, I found Cdr Elmer Stone USCG who won his in 1919. Was this a record ?
CDR Elmer Stone, USCG
But to rub it in, I have tried and failed to find a PPRuNe thread where I mentioned a Lt William Strasser USCG on exchange who went home with a well deserved AFC. Looking for him, I found Cdr Elmer Stone USCG who won his in 1919. Was this a record ?
CDR Elmer Stone, USCG
That is really interesting. I confess I had never heard of Cdr Stone, and I had always assumed that Alcock and Brown had made the first non-stop trans-Atlantic flight, but if I am reading this correctly, Stone and his crew beat them to it. Am I missing something?
The British DFC is awarded for combat actions, whilst the AFC is for "...an act or acts of valour, courage or devotion to duty whilst flying though not in active operations against the enemy." (original warrant). In the case of the US awards the reverse is the case, with the AFC being for combat operations, and as a second tier award it rates alongside the Navy Cross.
By the way as I was a little unkind to the rather dull US DFC earlier, here are pictures of both the British and US AFCs, and in this case I think both are very attractive.
British AFC
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...d_Kingdom).png
US AFC
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...orce_Cross.jpg
The British DFC is awarded for combat actions, whilst the AFC is for "...an act or acts of valour, courage or devotion to duty whilst flying though not in active operations against the enemy." (original warrant). In the case of the US awards the reverse is the case, with the AFC being for combat operations, and as a second tier award it rates alongside the Navy Cross.
By the way as I was a little unkind to the rather dull US DFC earlier, here are pictures of both the British and US AFCs, and in this case I think both are very attractive.
British AFC
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...d_Kingdom).png
US AFC
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...orce_Cross.jpg
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I don't think that this was none stop! If it was , he went the pretty route!
The NC-4 started from the Naval Air Station at Rockaway, New York, at 1000 hours on 8 May, 1919, in concert with the NC-1 and NC-3, and although the NC-1 and NC-3 did not complete the journey, the NC-4 successfully crossed the Atlantic and landed in Lisbon, Portugal on 27 May 1919.