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Old 26th Jan 2014, 14:11
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Russian carrier ops

A really nice video (In Russian) showing carrier ops, anyhow some lovely shots. The internal shots of the aircraft cockpit instruments, the glass screen gauges are not smooth, the glass gauges seem to jump from one reading to another.

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Impressive looking ship and, actually IN service. Still, the Russians don't lavish the equivalent of £12,000,000,000 on "foreign aid", and about the same amount on the so-called "EU" every year, so perhaps they can afford it.
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Thanks for posting that, very good.
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Look past the gloss and I see an old carrier, laid down in the 1980s for which the russians have yet to design and build a replacement. If you believe the rumours she doesnt put to sea unless a repair tug is on standby due to shocking reliability, and the carrier has never yet actually deployed a proper airwing due to major weaknesses in the design.

So yes, if you want a third rate rusting piece of soviet design without a working airgroup then crack on...
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Agreed good vid. Clearly for public TV consumption so anybody who has been on a carrier during such ops can imagine what they are saying!

Wonder what the date was.
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Quite recent. That's the one that has just been delivered to India. The Kusnetsov is in the Med.
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Some terrific NavAv stuff from around the 18 minute mark. This is what GoogleTranslate says about the video above:

Полигон. Авианосец
В суровых водах Баренцева моря проходит летные испытания бывший советский авианесущий крейсер "Адмирал Горшков", получивший новое имя - "Викрамадитья". Иван Лебедев попадает на борт авианосца, чтобы узнать, как изменился облик корабля после переоборудования на заводе "Севмаш", и благодаря чему российские истребители МиГ-29К теперь могут беспрепятственно взлетать и садиться на его палубу.

Polygon. aircraft carrier Published on Oct 30, 2013
"In the harsh waters of the Barents Sea is undergoing flight tests former Soviet aircraft carrier "Admiral Gorshkov", which received a new name - "Vikramaditya". Ivan Lebedev gets on board an aircraft carrier, to learn how to change the appearance of the ship after conversion at the "Sevmash", and so the Russian MiG-29K can now easily take off and land on its deck."
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She is a relatively small carrier and not really capable of high intensity air operations.
Not enough room to flow a lot of aircraft back to the launch chock system. No JBD.
Many compromises in the overall design, eg. the centerdeck elevator.

The trolley system for moving aircraft on the hangar deck looks sort of slow and clunky. Give me a tractor, a tow bar, and a bunch of blue shirts with chains anyday.

She has sufficient equipment for night operations it appears. The armored LSO compartment looks interesting.

Overall, she is very clean inside and appropriately rusty on the outside considering her age.

Not as capable as an old 27C USN carrier let alone a modern big deck one.

The whole video reminded me of a museum to Russian aircraft carriers. Just enough equipment to illustrate what might be possible. An OK carrier to get your feet wet in carrier aviation, but not a serious contender when the "fit hits the shan."
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It will be interesting to see how the Indians manage to run Vikramaditya. It'll take a while, but they do have a long history of carrier ops. Interesting little features in the ship as well. The recessed track in the hangar is one thing we wouldn't do in the west, and the open lift well to the weaps prep areas seem like an "interesting" idea.

What she will illustrate is why STOBAR is not a good mode of deck ops for high intensity air ops. The safe parking area will hold about 9-10 cabs tops.
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