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UK Maritime Patrol Aircraft - An Urgent Requirement

Old 5th Sep 2014, 17:22
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"Just read a transcript of the SOS speech Prior to the summit. Maritime Security featured quite a bit along with investing in new Equipment. I think I shall put a bottle of Blue Nun on ice for Friday"

Oh well, back in the cellar for the the Nun.
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Old 6th Sep 2014, 20:11
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Old 7th Sep 2014, 02:21
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Surplus...

You say they won't use the Seedcorn folks. Explain..
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Old 7th Sep 2014, 13:06
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Some may end up in DE&S and other areas where their expertise will be required. Probabley not what most would expect.
Betty, I was talking about about the Seedcorn personnel being used for DE&S as the above quote suggests. Not that the Seedcorn personnel won't be used for training or frontline crews.
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Old 7th Sep 2014, 13:12
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Given the current state of the polls, I would suggest people re-read post 421 on this thread!
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Old 7th Sep 2014, 14:30
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Surplus.
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Old 7th Sep 2014, 15:02
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Old 7th Sep 2014, 15:51
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Excellent! Hopefully the magic upgrades to the radar will help it see things under the water!
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Old 7th Sep 2014, 15:58
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Don't think there saying that it will - quote from the Flight article (my underlining)

Philip Nettleship, chief engineer of airborne solutions at Raytheon, says that one aircraft will be used to test the upgrade – which would effectively turn the aircraft into a maritime surveillance aircraft – and this would be tested in 2015.

“It will go into a trials period,” Nettleship says. “We’re not 100% sure when that will start, and we’re still in discussions as to what will happen.”

Nettleship stresses that the aircraft would not fit a maritime patrol aircraft role – a capability that the UK is lacking – but the company is in conversation with Airbus regarding a potential solution for this should a requirement be formalised.
Why sell somebody one solution thing when you could sell them two?
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Old 7th Sep 2014, 17:55
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Originally Posted by Ventre A Terre View Post
Excellent! Hopefully the magic upgrades to the radar will help it see things under the water!
Hopefully so.
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 01:06
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Apologies in advance if it's a silly question, but as someone with a pure civvie background, but who is a little familiar with the Global Express, given the potential upgrade to add maritime capability to the radar, would it be feasible to integrate FASGW to the Sentinel? Obviously still as useful as the proverbial chocolate teapot against a submerged threat, but with any rumoured P-8 lease/buy likely to be in the single digits surely every little helps.
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 06:29
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would it be feasible to integrate FASGW to the Sentinel?
Nope.

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Old 8th Sep 2014, 11:34
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Much as one hates to use the corny "system of systems" thing, there's a good argument that it makes no sense to buy one aircraft to hunt subs, coordinate the search for missing yachtsmen, perform overland ISR/comms, ID herring-pirates &c &c.
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 13:22
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The LRMPA is the perfect platform for all of those roles, the only reason you'd need other platforms is insufficient numbers of the LRMPA to carry out all of the required tasks.
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 13:43
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it makes no sense to buy one aircraft to hunt subs, coordinate the search for missing yachtsmen, perform overland ISR/comms, ID herring-pirates &c &c.
Are you therefore suggesting then that we should buy 4 different types of aircraft to do each of the roles above?
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 13:57
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Four differnet types might be excessive, but I certainly think there's a case for a limited number of ASW/ASuW types (P-8 perhaps) to be augmented by a larger number of a cheaper to procure and operate maritime surveillance type (Saab MSA, L-3 Q400, or Boeing MSA spring to mind).

Of course, in these days of reduced aircraft types I accept that idea might not fly, so to speak.
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 14:20
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How about a limited number of ASW/ASuW/ISR/SAR types and a similar number of maritime surveillance UAV's/RPAS. Maybe P-8 and Triton??
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 14:54
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Spiffing idea, I'll have 4 P8's to start with and oodles of the UAV thingys, Ta.

Given the current state of the polls, I would suggest people re-read post 421 on this thread!
Read your earlier post, Biggus, just hope Putin did too, I'm not too fussed if Wee Eck didn't read it.
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 14:55
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Party Animal,
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 19:33
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PA - A few options, not necessarily four types.

One way to go is high-end ASW/MPA + a smaller type (bizjet or regional prop-based) for the herring-thieves and smugglers. Saab will tell you that an AEW&C can double up for useful wide-area overwater surveillance, which might be a useful option.

IAI-Elta, meanwhile, have a separate ASW option but then offer AWACS, ground surveillance and SIGINT on a common platform (Gulfstream) with similar datalinks and workstations.
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