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Old 12th Jan 2014, 15:35
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What worries me is the JNCOs and airmen that have been protected from the rise in inflation and general cost of living by becoming accustomed to an op bonus that has been readily available. The HERRICK campaign has effectively boosted the salary of many. When fewer and fewer actually make it on tour in 2015, I fear that those households who have utilised this extra money to support themselves will be left in a very sticky place indeed when they are forced to live off their basic salary.
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 16:36
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KS: Sandhurst graduates all wear the same uniform for their passing-out parade, only donning the smorgasbord of styles that makes up the modern army afterwards.

Outrage, what a waste of taxpayers money!!
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Your comment may have been tongue in cheek - in which case ignore what I am about to say.

I can recall the time when there was talk of the UK following the (then) Canadian model of a single Defence Force. I well remember the angst that was expressed by members of all three Services; one of the endearing things about the British Army for us "outsiders" (light blue myself) is the idiosyncrasies of the organisation - which include regimental dress etc. We in the light blue tried to follow their lead with Sqn Cummerbunds and the like. So please,please stop knocking the differences - in terms of budget I suspect the cost is peanuts and is more than offset by the esprit de corps such differences engender. C B
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 17:39
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Nope. IOT is currently 36 weeks. Having seen it at close quarters a year ago, it is a far superior course than any that went before it as well.
That would not be hard...
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 17:41
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36 weeks - crikey twice as long as when I went through. It was complete bolleaux then and just bearable, but 36 weeks? Really? You get less for ABH these days!
24 weeks was bad enough - it could have been over and done with in 12...

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Old 12th Jan 2014, 17:51
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As the largest service the army would expect to take the lead so the course would most likely churn out infantry officers which would not meet the requirements of the RAF or RN. There could be a 'joint' ('Joint' in army-speak = 'army') first term before the 3 services split for more focused training but that would negate much of the potential savings. The graduation parade would look messy with the 3 differing uniforms or would everyone wear the same (army) uniform?
A Royal Military University Sandhurst would be an excellent idea, with those who are not destined for it's hallowed halls but are suitable for commissioning going to Single Service Officer Cadet Training Units. Your comment about Infantry Officers assumes that the Army is an amorphous mass, it is not. The technical Corps have far more in common with their RAF and RN counterparts than they do with the Infantry...
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 19:41
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But if you replace Sandhurst, Dartmouth & Cranwell with a single course for the (pre-selected) high flyers at Sandhurst & then send the 'also-rans' to single service OCTUs (at Dartmouth, Cranwell & somewhere for the army?) where's the saving in real estate? Do you not in fact end up with one additional institution?
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36 weeks...do retreads have to do this as well? Holy Crap Batman! When I went through (88) it was tolerable for 14 weeks, until Camp 2 was completed, after that it was mind-numbing waste of time.
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But if you replace Sandhurst, Dartmouth & Cranwell with a single course for the (pre-selected) high flyers at Sandhurst & then send the 'also-rans' to single service OCTUs (at Dartmouth, Cranwell & somewhere for the army?) where's the saving in real estate? Do you not in fact end up with one additional institution?
Not at all. The OCTU's could be 'lodged' within Single Service recruit training establishments, a bit like the Royal Marine's set up at CTCRM Lympstone. As for OCTU students being 'also rans', not necessarily no. But it makes no sense whatsoever to put SSC candidates on a commission course which exceeds 6 months...
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