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Old 8th Nov 2013, 08:19
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What about "Military Personnel"? Covers everyone and is gender neutral (I hate the requirement to even consider that).
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Is it just me , but does sending "Warfighters" on "Peace Support Operations" come across as bit of an oxymoron and a PR liability?

It reminds me of 60's student days and the vapid taunt of "Fighting for peace is a bit like f*cking for virginity".
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It seems to me that the term "Warfighter" is inappropriate, highly emotive and out of step with our current trend towards increasing use of MBA type yukspeak.

First of all, formal declarations of "war" have been extremely rare since 1945:

Declaration of war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

so our "warfighters" aren't generally engaged in "war".

Secondly, when we use such yukspeak as "....the kinetic phase..." to describe the active use of military force, the term war seems archaic.


I would suggest the term "Conflict participants" to be both more appropriate, and in line with modern yukspeak (e.g. stakeholders, customers, etc...).

Admittedly it doesn't roll of tongue too easily - but nothings perfect!
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Old 12th Nov 2013, 10:32
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Official definition as far as the Army is concerned:


Warfighting. For the purpose of this requirement, warfighting is viewed as high intensity, medium or large scale, broadly symmetric operations (against a “marched” enemy) that are constrained by climate and terrain. Short of warfighting there will be a requirement to conduct operations varying in scope: time, intensity, size and location. Warfighting capabilities are necessary in other operations. Almost all forces contribute to the UK warfighting capability. Also known as combat operations.
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Telic 1 eve was the first time I ever heard the descriptive word (or phrase) "War-fighting". Its stuck with me ever since.

Drifts off again....

Wargasm I find a far better, a far more cynical word but I understand it - an exciting feeling felt by those that seem to relish war and its spectacle without having personal involvement - a feeling some politicians,some media types and the relatively non-experienced seem to enjoy.

And a brilliant track by L7 as well. As below:

Wargasm, wargasm, one, two, three
Tie a yellow ribbon around the amputee
Masturbate, watch it on TV
Crocodile tears for the refugee

Wargasm, wargasm, one, two, three
Smutty, bloody pictures, ecstasy
Blue balls waiting impatiently
From Alcatraz to Lady Liberty

Body bags and dropping bombs
The pentagon knows how to turn us on

Wargasm, wargasm, one, two, three
Pit bull, pit bull ecstasy
Wave those flags high in the air
As long as it takes place over there

Wargasm
Wargasm
Wargasm
Wargasm

Body bags and dropping bombs
The pentagon knows how to turn us

Turn us on


Think Blair sings this when he takes a bath with Bush (or his wife.) Yep, not exactly Wilfred Owen, but truly a song lyric for the age we are now in.

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Old 12th Nov 2013, 14:20
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Hey dervish I've just read your definition again. They had it all wrong then, our lot, our planners in Telic 1? They banged that word out so many times, but your description of what it meant doesn't seem to match how the fighting panned out over the following decade. What a f*ck up it all was.
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Old 12th Nov 2013, 15:30
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Not my definition! It was included and defined in most Army URDs from about 2000-on, at the very least. I first came across it in qinetiq paper in 2000. On 23.5.02 the Secretary of State for Defence Geoff Hoon said in a speech "SDR New Chapter", ".....developing a networked capability will be fundamental to joint and coalition warfighting in the information age." As you say, What a f*ck up.
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