Pilotless military
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Pilotless military
Apologise if this, as it probably has, has already been “threaded”. What are your thoughts on the demise of the human pilot. How long before the UAV’s take over all the roles and what justification can be used to keep bums in seats.
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Sending in a well armed pilotless aircraft to take the heat out of a hot spot sounds like a good idea.
Sending in a pilotless aircraft with troops on board to do the mopping up sounds like a silly idea.
Just like those wings, things are not all black and white.
Sending in a pilotless aircraft with troops on board to do the mopping up sounds like a silly idea.
Just like those wings, things are not all black and white.
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Yes. And they also suffer a nearly identical incidence of post-traumatic stress as other aircrew too. Try googling "story of a drone warrior"( sorry don't have a link) for a ripping read.
The Ground Control Stations (GCS), or "desks" as some uninformed insist on calling them, can get FOD'd with non-approved flying clothing creating control restrictions and loose clothing/jumpers can snag switches and controls. Don't forget that crew changes are frequent with individuals climbing in and out of the seats. The GCS are chocker with lots of electrical equipment that can catch fire and the only exit is to go past this equipment.
So, yes, they do wear flying suits, for obvious reasons.
So, yes, they do wear flying suits, for obvious reasons.
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The Ground Control Stations (GCS), or "desks" as some uninformed insist on calling them, can get FOD'd with non-approved flying clothing creating control restrictions and loose clothing/jumpers can snag switches and controls. Don't forget that crew changes are frequent with individuals climbing in and out of the seats. The GCS are chocker with lots of electrical equipment that can catch fire and the only exit is to go past this equipment.
So, yes, they do wear flying suits, for obvious reasons.
So, yes, they do wear flying suits, for obvious reasons.
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Calm down ladies - do we really need to get all tetchy as to what they wear and why. Hell, as far as I am concerned they can wear a printed floral dress - so long as it's this season. The only important thing is that they do their job. As for civil airline crew apparel is concerned the recent viral video of the BA cabin crew would suggest that they don't really like their dress code either
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The Ground Control Stations (GCS), or "desks" as some uninformed insist on calling them, can get FOD'd with non-approved flying clothing creating control restrictions and loose clothing/jumpers can snag switches and controls. Don't forget that crew changes are frequent with individuals climbing in and out of the seats. The GCS are chocker with lots of electrical equipment that can catch fire and the only exit is to go past this equipment.
So, yes, they do wear flying suits, for obvious reasons.
So, yes, they do wear flying suits, for obvious reasons.
As I write this, I'm careful not to FOD my laptop with the jumper I am wearing. Or snag the "H" and "A" buttons repeatedly.
The other day I went to the bank, the customer advisor did a crew change climbing in and out of the seats perfectly fine. Good job the bank did not catch fire, as we were not wearing flying suits, everyone would have had to snag themselves on everything between us and the only door.
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Hell, as far as I am concerned they can wear a printed floral dress - so long as it's this season. The only important thing is that they do their job.
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As I write this, I'm careful not to FOD my laptop with the jumper I am wearing. Or snag the "H" and "A" buttons repeatedly.
Airline pilots quite happily fly in nor mal rig so why not UAV "pilots".
Edit: see http://flightsafety.org/ccs/ccs_mar_apr99.pdf You will see that Nomex was only lightly charred after 180 seconds of exposure to flame whereas a nylon shirt turned to a dripping mess in less than 14 seconds -
Let the UAV boys and girls wear flying suits. These garments are supposed to be cleared for flying and will be part of the release to service, they have been designed so bits don't fall off, they have pen-holders and useful pockets, they are flame retardent and above all they identify them for what they are, military aviators.
I agree with Tom Joad...
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I don't think nomex would have saved Swissair 111, even if the whole frickin' 'plane was made of it.
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OK, not the best example for SwissAir and a little bit off topic, but...
He must have been really thankfull for the company investing in nice polycotton shirts at this point - RIP a very brave man.
Honestly, I am staggered that the airlines have such a laissez faire attitude to PPE for their crews, as does this article about a talk on Skybrary: SKYbrary - Talk:Fire in the Air
Enough said?
The crew then put on their oxygen masks and the aircraft began its descent. Zimmermann put Löw in charge of the descent while he personally ran through the two Swissair standard checklists for smoke in the cockpit, a process that would take approximately 20 minutes and become a later source of controversy.
Shortly after the first emergency declaration, the captain can be heard leaving his seat to fight the fire, which was now spreading to the rear of the cockpit; the Swissair volume of checklists was later found fused together, indicating they were possibly used to fan back the flames.
Honestly, I am staggered that the airlines have such a laissez faire attitude to PPE for their crews, as does this article about a talk on Skybrary: SKYbrary - Talk:Fire in the Air
This is an excellent review of the dangers of fire in the air. However, the list of dangers only includes mechanical effects of fire, and limitations to pilot visibility because of smoke. Ignored is direct injury to the crew from heat flux, flame, and products of combustion. In at least 2 recent in-cockpit fires, the crew were probably incapacitated - or dead - before impact. The current emphasis on visibility devices is wise, and will be protective in the future to maintain aircraft control. Breathing 100% oxygen thru a tightly fitted, non-leaking mask will avoid inhalation of cyanide, and other combusion products. But...the crew has no protection against the thermal effects of fire in the cockpit. In fact, crew clothing could not be worse: Short sleeve, acrylic shirts, and trousers of similar fabrics. Artificial fibers simply melt into the skin, offering little heat energy absorption or reflection Nomex and similar fabrics reflect heat and insulate the skin - ask any race car driver who wears at least 2 layers, or military pilots with one layer (and mandator cotton knickers!) Having studied this problem and convened the world's experts in fire resistant clothing, I probabl should be a strong advocate of Nomex for commercial carrier crews. But... Happily, cotton and wool offer some temporary protection against direct flame. Tens of seconds only, but enough to perhaps make a difference in the next in-cockpit fire. A long sleeve denim shirt is far better than a short-sleeve nylon or acrylic. To date, no airline crews wear any fire-resistant clothing, despite ample evidence of need. Only Air Canada has required wool uniforms, after a lethal cabin fire. So, today the AC cabin crew are relatively safe, and able to accomplish their mission of passenger safety. Up front the same airline's pilots - as all other airlines' pilots - disdain cotton or wool, or long sleeves. Sad, and reprehensible.