Argentina buys Mirage F1s
i have read they are being bought to undertake the drugs interdiction task in the north of the country.
how accurate, or indeed realistic, that is is something i don't know...
what i do know is that they will shortly have around 60 Super Etendard/A-4AR/ Mirage FI's, all PGM capable, all on home turf, and all with the benefit of choosing their own time.
Typhoon might be light years ahead of them, but 4 Typhoons can't be in 30 places at once...
how accurate, or indeed realistic, that is is something i don't know...
what i do know is that they will shortly have around 60 Super Etendard/A-4AR/ Mirage FI's, all PGM capable, all on home turf, and all with the benefit of choosing their own time.
Typhoon might be light years ahead of them, but 4 Typhoons can't be in 30 places at once...
Typhoon might be light years ahead of them, but 4 Typhoons can't be in 30 places at once...
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Is anybody really believing that Argentina is going to wage another war with the UK over the Falklands, really???
This is not 1982 junta ruled Argentina any more, sure there are still a lot of bad feelings but I don't believe their is any support for such an "adventure" among the Argentinian population, let alone a real capability from the Argentinian forces.
4 Typhoons might be a limited force but it would be more than sufficient (combined with SAM weapons) to hold of long enough for reinforcements to arrive ,additional Typhoons/Tornado's, Tankers,AWACS, Transport with more weapons and troops can probably be sent within 48 hours, I guess.
This is not 1982 junta ruled Argentina any more, sure there are still a lot of bad feelings but I don't believe their is any support for such an "adventure" among the Argentinian population, let alone a real capability from the Argentinian forces.
4 Typhoons might be a limited force but it would be more than sufficient (combined with SAM weapons) to hold of long enough for reinforcements to arrive ,additional Typhoons/Tornado's, Tankers,AWACS, Transport with more weapons and troops can probably be sent within 48 hours, I guess.
''Is anybody really believing that Argentina is going to wage another war with the UK over the Falklands, really???
This is not 1982 junta ruled Argentina any more, sure there are still a lot of bad feelings but I don't believe their is any support for such an "adventure" among the Argentinian population, let alone a real capability from the Argentinian forces''...
am i confident that war - or skirmish - over the FI is not part of the policy plan of this or any forseeable Argentine Government? yes, i am.
am i confident that such an idea would never start to look attractive to a government that can't pay the bills, faces 30% inflation, is being accused of rampant corruption and needs a quick boost in popularity? no, i'm not.
This is not 1982 junta ruled Argentina any more, sure there are still a lot of bad feelings but I don't believe their is any support for such an "adventure" among the Argentinian population, let alone a real capability from the Argentinian forces''...
am i confident that war - or skirmish - over the FI is not part of the policy plan of this or any forseeable Argentine Government? yes, i am.
am i confident that such an idea would never start to look attractive to a government that can't pay the bills, faces 30% inflation, is being accused of rampant corruption and needs a quick boost in popularity? no, i'm not.
Not really. Us jumping up and down over F1's is no different to them jumping up and down over the latest warship.
I'll probably be working there next month anyway. The reality is no matter what the mouthpieces say, business and trade is proceeding quite nicely for both of us, and that's the way it should be.
I'll probably be working there next month anyway. The reality is no matter what the mouthpieces say, business and trade is proceeding quite nicely for both of us, and that's the way it should be.
Hello all,
The F1s will be bought to replace the Mirage III / Mirage V (Mara and Finger) fleet. So, it will be here an interceptor / ground attack aircraft. The trouble is the Spaniards modified it to full mud movers, and the fighter role is really marginal. Well, same with the A4ARs, a ground attack plane rated here as a multirole fighter...
The "North Shield" Ops (control and protection of the northern frontier, specially against drug cartels from Paraguay and Bolivia) includes now a couple of radars and all AAF Sqn´s are rotating to fulfill the task. I think the F1 will go north some time, then go back and so on. For sure, not the best plane to intercept a Cessna.
Also, I think that any local government that hint they are planning to attack military the islands it will be out of the office in a couple of days. A shooting war is really out of the question.
Regards!
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The F1s will be bought to replace the Mirage III / Mirage V (Mara and Finger) fleet. So, it will be here an interceptor / ground attack aircraft. The trouble is the Spaniards modified it to full mud movers, and the fighter role is really marginal. Well, same with the A4ARs, a ground attack plane rated here as a multirole fighter...
The "North Shield" Ops (control and protection of the northern frontier, specially against drug cartels from Paraguay and Bolivia) includes now a couple of radars and all AAF Sqn´s are rotating to fulfill the task. I think the F1 will go north some time, then go back and so on. For sure, not the best plane to intercept a Cessna.
Also, I think that any local government that hint they are planning to attack military the islands it will be out of the office in a couple of days. A shooting war is really out of the question.
Regards!
PD: AR1, PM me, I will point you to the more interesting military museums here (don´t tell the miss, of course...)
Argentine Mirage F1 buy reportedly stalls
Argentine sources have told IHS Jane's that the planned procurement of 16 Dassault Mirage F1M fighters from the Spanish Air Force has stalled and could possibly be cancelled.
Local media reports indicated that the Argentine Air Force (FAA) has begun analysing other options, including second-hand Dassault Mirage 2000s from France or Brazil, but appears to be leaning towards an Israeli offer of 18 IAI Lahav Kfir Block 60 multi-role fighters for USD500 million, with a possible delivery date some 15 months after a contract signature.
Argentine sources have told IHS Jane's that the planned procurement of 16 Dassault Mirage F1M fighters from the Spanish Air Force has stalled and could possibly be cancelled.
Local media reports indicated that the Argentine Air Force (FAA) has begun analysing other options, including second-hand Dassault Mirage 2000s from France or Brazil, but appears to be leaning towards an Israeli offer of 18 IAI Lahav Kfir Block 60 multi-role fighters for USD500 million, with a possible delivery date some 15 months after a contract signature.
Kfir Block 60
i have read they are being bought to undertake the drugs interdiction task in the north of the country.
how accurate, or indeed realistic, that is is something i don't know...
how accurate, or indeed realistic, that is is something i don't know...
Interesting to see that the UK is still giving Argentina foreign aid money, can anyone in our government justify that? Also the EU sloshing euros into their empty coffers.
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no way they will get those F1's until they pay back REPSOL, the spanish oil company, for all the acreage they nationalised last year for a start
far more likely that BA would sell them some Typhoons TBH
far more likely that BA would sell them some Typhoons TBH
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Just goes to show there is no such thing as "country x is our friend and ally". Because, with arms dealing, if the price is right they would sell their grandmas soul to the devil.
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In somewhat connected news.....
Argentina Appoints Daniel Filmus As Secretary For Malvinas To Campaign For Handover Of Falkland Islands
Argentina Appoints Daniel Filmus As Secretary For Malvinas To Campaign For Handover Of Falkland Islands
but if i lived on the Falklands i know which i'd be more worried about...
Argentinas political campaign is not worrying, what is worrying is what happens when Argentinas (or perhps more correctly, Argentinas dreadful politicians'..) political campaign is seen to be not working.
not getting movement on the FI is dissapointing for Kirchner, not getting movement on the FI when she's invested so much political, economic and diplomatic capital in doing so is spectacularly embarrassing. particularly when inflation is at 30%.
(politically) desperate times etc...
Argentinas political campaign is not worrying, what is worrying is what happens when Argentinas (or perhps more correctly, Argentinas dreadful politicians'..) political campaign is seen to be not working.
not getting movement on the FI is dissapointing for Kirchner, not getting movement on the FI when she's invested so much political, economic and diplomatic capital in doing so is spectacularly embarrassing. particularly when inflation is at 30%.
(politically) desperate times etc...
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"(politically) desperate times etc..."
Agree, but not suicidal times.
They would also have to contend with the possibility of sub and ship
launched cruise missiles as well with no way of defending against them.
Wouldn't look good for Argie pollies if all of a sudden after an Argie first move
all the military airfields had smoke and flames all over them ?
Agree, but not suicidal times.
They would also have to contend with the possibility of sub and ship
launched cruise missiles as well with no way of defending against them.
Wouldn't look good for Argie pollies if all of a sudden after an Argie first move
all the military airfields had smoke and flames all over them ?