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Old 24th Sep 2013, 21:54
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BBC News - Empty F-16 jet tested by Boeing and US Air Force

F16 empty cockpit.
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Boeing suggested that the innovation could ultimately be used to help train pilots, providing an adversary they could practise firing on.
Really?! What do BOING think the USAF have been doing with retired jets converted into FSATs for the past 50+(?) odd years!

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P.S. Glad they've finally found a suitable role for the Lawn Dart!

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Indeed. When I was based at Tyndall AFB, it was great sport to join Falcon Eddie (RIP), ex-F-16 pilot, then remote F-4 drone pilot, talk about his missions against live armed front-line jets trying to shoot his aircraft down. A better end for a fine aircraft than being smashed up by metal traders.

Haven't heard the term Lawn Dart for ages!

Who is Boing?

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Genuine question.

Did he win often ?
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Probably for a lot of reasons, but I think I see what you're getting at.
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1:1 scale RPAS

After 15 yrs of basking in the desert at AMARC, the US have commissioned 6 F-16s as QF-16s. BBC News - Empty F-16 jet tested by Boeing and US Air Force

But one of the chief complainants is non other than "spokesman for the Campaign to Stop Killer Robots" Professor Noel Sharkey - The same bloke who brought us ROBOT WARS!!! Teams of kids who were encourage to build Robots who could KILL other Robots!!!!

What a hypocrite - he brought us 7 Series & 2 "Extreme" Series of Robot Wars which were filmed inside a hangar at former RAF Newton, West Bridgford, Notts.
The House-Robots sported names like:
Sgt Bash
Sir Killalot
Dead Metal
The Sentinel
Mr Psycho
and the arena had features such as:
The Pit Of Oblivion
The Disk Of Doom
The Flame Pit
The Drop Zone


It was shown in the UK from 1998 to 2003 and repeated on digital channels ever since.

Prof Sharkey is a victim of his own success - the root and cause of people who are now of an age to further develop and deploy these remotely piloted air systems in a theatre of conflict.

Surely someone of his renowned qualifications and intellect should realise that RPAS are NOT Drones. "Drone" implies an element of automatry and artificial intelligence. They are "Remotely Piloted Air Systems"


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However, it did amuse me that Lincolnshire County Council, East Midlands Ambulance Service and Lincs Fire & Rescue chose to conduct a civil emergency exercise earlier this year involving a train crash nr Newark & the launching of a Thermal Imaging UAV over the Lincs F&R Trg ground on the eastern side of the A15 (formerly part of RAF Waddington)
"What? You're launching a "Drone" over Helen John's peace caravan?"

DOH!!!!!

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and the arena had features such as:
The Pit Of Oblivion
Sounds like it was Marham.
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The QF-16 andQF-4 are just as much drones as were the UK's Firefly U9, Meteor U16, Sea Vixen D3.....and Jindivik.

Not new. Nothing to see here, move on.

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There is something here that is new - the media are actually using the word 'drone' correctly in this instance. It should only be used to describe aircraft used for target practice like this QF-16, the DH Queen Bee (which is the origin of the name 'drone'), the QF-4 and the Jindavik (or others).

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[pedant on]Robot Wars was also filmed in London as I took my son to one of the filmings for his birthday. [pedant off]

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Just another small point.

.... which were filmed inside a hangar at former RAF Newton, West Bridgford, Notts....
RAF Newton isn't very close to West Bridgford at all. Both Bingham and East Bridgford are closer and Radcliffe-on-Trent is actually in between Newton and West Bridgford.

(THS, current resident of the Lace City).

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THS - how strange - from your list, met Mrs W in Nottingham, she was living in W Bridgeford, her brother was serving (literally) at Newton (he was a Chef in OM and Sgts Messes). She had previously lived in Radcliffe on Trent. Brother in Law now lives in Bingham. And our youngest son and gf moved to Nottingham on Monday. Apologies for thread drift - just amused me
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Now this is a real drone

BBC News - Empty F-16 jet tested by Boeing and US Air Force
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"However, a spokesman for the Campaign to Stop Killer Robots warned of the temptation to use them in warfare."

I would have thought the only place to use Killer Robots was in warfare

And I want to join the Campaign to Stop Killer Robots. What a great name
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Now this is a real drone

Slow news day.

Anyone ever noticed how many QF-4s/QF-106s/Jindiviks have flown?
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Originally Posted by Dash8driver1312
Slow news day.

Anyone ever noticed how many QF-4s/QF-106s/Jindiviks have flown?
And QF-100, QF-86's before that (not to mentioned the shedloads of old Meatboxes we converted as drone targets)
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And, of course, the other 2 topics on QF-16s already on PPRuNe

First

Second
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Oh, Sorry, 500N. I completely failed to answer your quesion there. I was responding to something else - not there now. Mist be the pills.

Not often, but I do remember one excellent night in the O Club when Falcon had landed his QF4 back at Tyndall (the runway well out to the East) having denied the two F-16s their AIM-7 shots by hitting the beam. In his own words later, more by luck and a lot of poor coordination by the fighters, but at the time he was buying drinks all night.
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Now that's what I call a drone




Nov 9 1967. Apollo 4 was the unmanned dress rehearsal for the first manned Apollo mission.

What's a "drone?"

Killer Death Robot gets my vote.

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There is something here that is new - the media are actually using the word 'drone' correctly in this instance. It should only be used to describe aircraft used for target practice like this QF-16, the DH Queen Bee (which is the origin of the name 'drone'), the QF-4 and the Jindavik (or others).
Why do you say that Leon? I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm curious as to how and why people draw a distinction between ISR/combat unmanned vehicles and unmanned targets when it comes to defining one as an UAV/RPAS etc and the other a 'drone' - they are both remotely piloted after all.
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