UK F35 Pilots to train in the US
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Not to mention the huge number of FAA pilots trained in the US by the USN aboard Sable, Wolverine, and various CVEs.
... Arlo Guthrie reference +10 points!
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You can't get everything you want at ALIS's restaurant...
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Heathrow- I think you meant to say Canadians did under the BCATP not the Yanks. Some may have trained in the US but the vast majority trained in Canada.
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Norway does all its training in the US. / F-16 type conversion with the ANG at Tuscon.
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ALIS's story - in her own words
Ordering pizza at Alice's Ristorante:
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F-35’s Ambitious, New Fleet Management System 16 Sep 2013 Amy Butler : Aviation Week & Space Technology
F-35?s Ambitious, New Fleet Management System#
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F-35’s Ambitious, New Fleet Management System 16 Sep 2013 Amy Butler : Aviation Week & Space Technology
"...The idea behind ALIS is a single, central fleet-management tool that will allow for truly predictive maintenance. Health data for the worldwide fleet will be collated at a hub in Fort Worth and provide analysts with insight of parts longevity or timing for inspections, for example.
In practice, it is intended to make fleet management easier from the unit to headquarters by allowing commanders a single system through which to view all aspects of the fleet. And Lockheed Martin's ALIS Program Director Mark Perreault says it is intended to make the maintainer's job easier. The F-35 is a data-intensive aircraft, and built into it are diagnostic tools that will alert ALIS based on pre-programmed parameters. This information exchange happens at the aircraft, when an ALIS portable maintenance aid (PMA) or portable classified aid (PCA)—ruggedized laptops used for aircraft management at the squadron level—is plugged into the jet for a download.
This use of digital tracking for fluids replaces use of gauges, says Sharon Parsley, a Lockheed Martin spokeswoman. The company boasts that flight-control-rigging maintenance now takes 5 min. for the F-35, compared to 8-14 hr. on legacy fighters, she adds. This is “something unique in fifth-generation systems,” says Tom Curry, Lockheed Martin's F-35 Director of ALIS, noting that its roots are on the F-22 program.
The use of ALIS also eliminates the need for paper manuals; all of the information is stored in the system and configuration updates are automatically provided.
ALIS is programmed to prioritize parts allocation based on principles agreed upon by all partners in the last Joint Executive Steering Board in March, Mellon explains. The agreement allows for squadrons in wartime operations to be prioritized no matter what nation owns them, he notes.
Each F-35 squadron will have a standard operating unit (SOU), a server on which the unit's data is housed. Each country will have a central point of entry (CPE), which holds all of the data from its fleets. Each country's CPE then transmits data to the single autonomic logistics operating unit (ALOU), which is housed at Lockheed Martin's Forth Worth facility and acts as a global fleet-management storage device. “It is the one place where you can integrate for each service and country information across the fleet,” Mellon says.
The Pentagon plans to field a second ALOU for redundancy...
...One of the complex tasks ahead, however, is to field SOU version 2, which is a more transportable and modular. This is needed to support expeditionary operations, especially those on the ship for Marine Corps initial operational capability (IOC) by the end of 2015...."
In practice, it is intended to make fleet management easier from the unit to headquarters by allowing commanders a single system through which to view all aspects of the fleet. And Lockheed Martin's ALIS Program Director Mark Perreault says it is intended to make the maintainer's job easier. The F-35 is a data-intensive aircraft, and built into it are diagnostic tools that will alert ALIS based on pre-programmed parameters. This information exchange happens at the aircraft, when an ALIS portable maintenance aid (PMA) or portable classified aid (PCA)—ruggedized laptops used for aircraft management at the squadron level—is plugged into the jet for a download.
This use of digital tracking for fluids replaces use of gauges, says Sharon Parsley, a Lockheed Martin spokeswoman. The company boasts that flight-control-rigging maintenance now takes 5 min. for the F-35, compared to 8-14 hr. on legacy fighters, she adds. This is “something unique in fifth-generation systems,” says Tom Curry, Lockheed Martin's F-35 Director of ALIS, noting that its roots are on the F-22 program.
The use of ALIS also eliminates the need for paper manuals; all of the information is stored in the system and configuration updates are automatically provided.
ALIS is programmed to prioritize parts allocation based on principles agreed upon by all partners in the last Joint Executive Steering Board in March, Mellon explains. The agreement allows for squadrons in wartime operations to be prioritized no matter what nation owns them, he notes.
Each F-35 squadron will have a standard operating unit (SOU), a server on which the unit's data is housed. Each country will have a central point of entry (CPE), which holds all of the data from its fleets. Each country's CPE then transmits data to the single autonomic logistics operating unit (ALOU), which is housed at Lockheed Martin's Forth Worth facility and acts as a global fleet-management storage device. “It is the one place where you can integrate for each service and country information across the fleet,” Mellon says.
The Pentagon plans to field a second ALOU for redundancy...
...One of the complex tasks ahead, however, is to field SOU version 2, which is a more transportable and modular. This is needed to support expeditionary operations, especially those on the ship for Marine Corps initial operational capability (IOC) by the end of 2015...."
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My father did his initial training at Terrell, near Dallas Texas, on the Stearman and Harvard. On coming back to the UK he was posted to Scone near Perth to do a 30hr European Weather Famil Course. He says this consisted of waiting for the weather to be less than perfect and being sent solo in a Tiger Moth. He says it was the best course he ever did.
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My father did his initial training at Terrell, near Dallas Texas, on the Stearman and Harvard. On coming back to the UK he was posted to Scone near Perth to do a 30hr European Weather Famil Course. He says this consisted of waiting for the weather to be less than perfect and being sent solo in a Tiger Moth. He says it was the best course he ever did.
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An example of a real 'Alice' Restaurant when it was at Subic Bay (alongside Olongapo) would be this bar: [now relocated to the US National Museum of Naval Aviation: National Naval Aviation Museum - Home ]
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Norway's F-16 OCU, 332 Skv, is based at Bodo...
We have none of our own jets based in Tuscon, they fly on US aircraft.
For the F-35 we will have 4 own jets based in the US for training.
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There's a good book out about the Arnold Scheme - available thru Amazon - the main problem was that the RAF trainees loathed the USAAF "hazing" system and the formality(!!) insisted on by instructors.................
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Re ALIS, seems totally over the top, my Audi simply pops up a Service on the panel and a countdown to that 
Fine until it gets a round through it.
Again two jets needing a part, one in a country about to get over run, one next on he list, who gets priority, and of course you have to get it to them, will the US in the same war fall as a second priority for that part?
The use of ALIS also eliminates the need for paper manuals; all of the information is stored in the system and configuration updates are automatically provided.
ALIS is programmed to prioritize parts allocation based on principles agreed upon by all partners in the last Joint Executive Steering Board in March, Mellon explains. The agreement allows for squadrons in wartime operations to be prioritized no matter what nation owns them, he notes.
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Just read where your lot is considering keeping your subs in the US should the Scotts get uppity and declare independence.
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Not one RAF C-17 pilot has ever done their initial qual to fly the C-17 in the UK, other than two circuits trips on their return from the states. Saves shed loads of money on setting up an inefficient RAF OCU. (How long does 15 Sqn take these days???) It's not an issue.
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I think it's at least worth discussion.
Purely from a practicality point of view it has to be better to train in the UK. All of us will remember someone dropping by the wayside for any of a myriad of reasons. Easy to fill a slot if the OCU is at Marham and someone from Yeovilton is told to be there by Monday morning. Tricky when trans-Atlantic. Small beer I know - but the costs aren't insignificant over a fleet's life time.
Also consider that we have a bespoke weapon fit for the aeroplane.
Also consider we have a unique Modus Operandi for the STOVL model.
Also consider that fleet management - for aircraft swaps, grades etc - is easier if your units are 2000 ft apart, not 4000 miles. So co-locating FLS and OCU makes sense.
Also consider that other customers might like a European solution.
But fundamentally, and directly related to the F35 - have we all forgotten what happened to the UK AV8B drivers when we opted for CV? They all (bar one) got sent home! So no need to look any further than the immediate past for a precedent for wanting sovereignty.
Of course, we all assume that the US will retain the ultimate sanction through some form of big red 'ground all F35' button.
Personally I think a US solution makes sense whilst we gather mass, but a UK solution would be better once we have done so.
Purely from a practicality point of view it has to be better to train in the UK. All of us will remember someone dropping by the wayside for any of a myriad of reasons. Easy to fill a slot if the OCU is at Marham and someone from Yeovilton is told to be there by Monday morning. Tricky when trans-Atlantic. Small beer I know - but the costs aren't insignificant over a fleet's life time.
Also consider that we have a bespoke weapon fit for the aeroplane.
Also consider we have a unique Modus Operandi for the STOVL model.
Also consider that fleet management - for aircraft swaps, grades etc - is easier if your units are 2000 ft apart, not 4000 miles. So co-locating FLS and OCU makes sense.
Also consider that other customers might like a European solution.
But fundamentally, and directly related to the F35 - have we all forgotten what happened to the UK AV8B drivers when we opted for CV? They all (bar one) got sent home! So no need to look any further than the immediate past for a precedent for wanting sovereignty.
Of course, we all assume that the US will retain the ultimate sanction through some form of big red 'ground all F35' button.
Personally I think a US solution makes sense whilst we gather mass, but a UK solution would be better once we have done so.
Orca,
Good point, well made. If an F35 variant is part of the Tornado replacement programme then we could see an eventual force size nudge past 100 airframes (probably a blend of F35A and B though the extra gas in the C would help...) including attrition buys. At that stage perhaps something akin to TTTE/TWCU model might be in order? Convex in the US to leverage cost savings then a 'short' UK TTPs/Wpns/QEC course back in the UK.
It makes complete sense to be fully integrated at the start - perhaps not so in 10-15 years time.
JTIDS - I don't think learning to fly a modern 4-engine widebody with a few 'tactical' modes is really comparable to an all weather FJ.
Who knows, perhaps the F35 will trailblaze for the convex of UK Triton/P8A crews? Oh...I'll get my coat......
Good point, well made. If an F35 variant is part of the Tornado replacement programme then we could see an eventual force size nudge past 100 airframes (probably a blend of F35A and B though the extra gas in the C would help...) including attrition buys. At that stage perhaps something akin to TTTE/TWCU model might be in order? Convex in the US to leverage cost savings then a 'short' UK TTPs/Wpns/QEC course back in the UK.
It makes complete sense to be fully integrated at the start - perhaps not so in 10-15 years time.
JTIDS - I don't think learning to fly a modern 4-engine widebody with a few 'tactical' modes is really comparable to an all weather FJ.
Who knows, perhaps the F35 will trailblaze for the convex of UK Triton/P8A crews? Oh...I'll get my coat......
perhaps something akin to TTTE/TWCU model