HAWK IN THE BARRIER AT MONA

[KPax]

Just seen a picture of a Hawk in the Barrier at Mona after a 'goose strike'. Just wondered apart from the Hawk do we have anything left that will take the barrier, not sure if a GR4 would but may have seen a picture from way back.

[just another jocky]

Hope yon pilot/crew are ok.

GR4 will certainly take a barrier.

[Linedog]

BBC News - RAF jet ends up in safety net at Mona airfield after 'goose strike'

[Courtney Mil]

Actually, the Hawk isn't that great in the barrier. During my early years on the jet, there was a lot of discussion about it and a lot of instructors at the time were very specific about which emergencies would make them decide to take the net and which would lead them to eject on the runway. I remeber that one of the concerns was the tapes preventing the crew from opening the "sideways" canopy in the case of a fire.

Perhaps others here have later news on that. I certainly don't recall the issue being mentioned in my later time instructing.

Anyway, the picture in the RAF News doesn't seem to indicate a problem there, so GOOD.

Back in time for tea and Green Endorsements all round, I hope.

[safetypee]

Fairly big bird based on the remains in the left hand intake; – gallery pics via dailypost.
RAF jet overslips runway at Mona Airfield; crew unhurt - North Wales Weekly News

[PURPLE PITOT]

"Talk to me Goose"

Hat, coat.........

[Madbob]

Looks to like a text book engagement and the barrier did exactly what its supposed to do. Good decisions all round.

Anyone fancy a slice of roast goose?

MB

[whowhenwhy]

Pretty sure that GR4 doesn't take the barrier, hence the crochet hook on the back.

[racedo]

Can see the response for Pilot in the Bar.............

Dave, Pulled a Fat Bird
Dave, Pulled a Fat Bird
Dave, Pulled a Fat Bird

[ASRAAM]

I think both Tornados (F3 and GR) were cleared to take a barrier, although a cable would be the preferred option. The difficulty would be that they are about 5 times heavier than a Hawk and at any sort of speed the pull out would exceed the over run available on barrier engagement.

[Easy Street]

Originally Posted by whowhenwhy

Pretty sure that GR4 doesn't take the barrier, hence the crochet hook on the back.

Sigh..... I know these are anonymous forums but when people use words like 'certainly' it tends to indicate they know what they're talking about, whereas those who use words like 'pretty sure' are self-evidently coming from a position of ignorance. Since you didn't believe 'just another jocky', I'll repeat what he said and see if you believe it this time:

GR4 will certainly take a barrier.

It has a hook as well. There is no rule that says aircraft must be restricted to one means of emergency stopping. If you still don't believe it, go planespotting at Marham from the A1122 and watch them put the barrier up for Tornado takeoffs. ASRAAM is right in that the pull-out is greater with a heavier aircraft, so Tornado bases are equipped with a "RAF Type B" barrier that is selectable for 'heavy' or 'light' aircraft. At the 'heavy' setting it can take a fully-loaded Tonka at 100kts or so. To my knowledge, last tried in about 2004... a tale of woe that shall not see the light of day on here (not from me anyway!).

[ATCO Fred]

2003 Hawk XX350 took the barrier at Mona 15 Sep due birdstrike.
2003 GR4 ZA452 took the barrier at Marham on 21 Nov after missing the cable when aborting after Birdstrike. Barrier engagement speed reported s 95-100 kts.

Seem to remember a Jaguar taking the barrier that year as well. Engine failure I think !!

Regards
Fred

[Bob Viking]

Jaguar vs Barrier

I always remember one take off in particular from Coltishall. It was a very hot day (30-35 C) and I was in a 104 engined jet with two tanks, two CBLS and missiles (a pretty standard training fit) where I thought to myself that if the barrier had been up for take off (Jag standard was always down but available) I may well have hit it (yes I had selected burners and flown the take off correctly, as far as I'm aware!).

Cue stories involving either:
a) The curvature of the Earth, or
b) You should have tried it with the 102 engine, in the Middle East, with bombs on!

Anyway, back to the story. Bloody good job from CB (and student) to get the jet safely into the barrier on what is a pretty short runway, especially when practicing (P)FLs. The pictures would suggest that dinner was also taken care of!
BV

[Tashengurt]

Just wondering. What's the deceleration like during a barrier engagement? Whiplash inducing or less dramatic?


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[Always a Sapper]

IIRC there was a period in the mid 90's where the barrier's were doing their own thing and started popping up all on their own without the local controller pressing the desk button.

We had to go round and isolate them from the MCS so they would only go up using the local control.

Barriers popping up unexpected would make those take offs and landings interesting

[ZeBedie]

Saw a shiny black Hawk fuselage on the back of a lorry heading East towards Shawbury last night.

[Just This Once...]

Whiplash inducing or less dramatic?

Bit of a non-event really if everything stays straight (as with mine).

I've only taken the approach-end cable once and that felt really benign.

Taking an unexpected approach end barrier not look fun and I gather it rather startled the crew (Tabuk).

[BEagle]

Ask sharpend about goose strikes in a Hawk.....

[12 twists per inch]

ZeB you are correct. Birdstrike hawk from Cardiff into Shawbury for some TLC

[John Farley]

Taschengurt

Whiplash needs one to be accelerated quickly so that the head snaps back too far for the neck to tolerate. Hence car head rests.

Being decelerated just puts your chin on your chest which happens without a problem on every ejection without a blind.