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I would like to think the police officers that protect our Royal Family would all know what these people look like, but having said that..
If in doubt, act and by 'acting' would it be wrong to approach a suspect and very politely ask them to identify themselves? My thoughts are that if you are in doubt, you take charge of the situation and to heck with the Daily Rag that wants to tell a good story.
I have previous here, but in my defence it happened at 1am, the very senior dignitary..... and his wife
were unknown to me and this was at a time when terrorism was even more of a threat than it is now. You can bet they never did what they did that night ever again but my question is.......
How did this story get into the public domain?
If in doubt, act and by 'acting' would it be wrong to approach a suspect and very politely ask them to identify themselves? My thoughts are that if you are in doubt, you take charge of the situation and to heck with the Daily Rag that wants to tell a good story.
I have previous here, but in my defence it happened at 1am, the very senior dignitary..... and his wife
were unknown to me and this was at a time when terrorism was even more of a threat than it is now. You can bet they never did what they did that night ever again but my question is.......How did this story get into the public domain?
I'd add the following, if the 'security' couldn't even recognize the DOY, what the fcuk are they doing in that job in the first place?! He may not be an immediate heir to the throne but, FFS come on, get a clue!
This interesting aspect of this story is who leaked it to the press and why? Surely it was not in the interests of either party to bring this rather embarrassing incident to light?
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Quite so. This isn't the same as some Odiham Stn Cdr charging an airman who didn't ask him for his ID (although I think that's pretty daft too - had he been watching Angels One Five and was following the example of Jack Hawkins as Gp Capt 'Tiger' Small?).
As he drove in he thought, that guard never saluted me, so reversed up to be pinned by the barrier trying to come down, there followed a rather irate conversation "get this bloody barrier off my car etc and why didn't you salute me", to which the replies were "I can't and I did". Luckily the SWO saw the whole incident and pointed out the Staish was in the wrong.
He never had a lot of luck with cars, his normal one had been in for a service by MT and was on the way to an important meeting at 38 group when his car stopped, upon inspection the inlet manifold had fallen off lol.
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When at Wittering I got called to the police office. Earlier in the week the FS police bollacked one of the guards (who happened to be one of mine) for not looking at his id properly. Since that event he had been subject to a 'random' full car search every day. After 5 such days it had got too much for him and his boss called me in. Over a coffee we both decided that although it had a comical ring to it, it had to end forthwith!
At Wattisham in pre-pongo days, one of Suphpholk's phinest phigtergators ('Wee Stevie') stopped at the barrier to show the guard his ID. The guard promptly burst into laughter, much to Wee Stevie's consternation - he thought he was being insulted. Whereupon the guard handed back his F1250...
Which Wee Stevie had made the mistake of leaving in his SD cap, together with the rest of the contents of his uniform pockets, before changing into his immersion suit to go flying the previous night - and which had been discovered and modified by a couple of chums.
It was probably the Beatle* hairstyle, huge glasses and the horns sprouting from his head, carefully added in black chinagraph which had amused the guard...and Wee Stevie did see the funny side!
Best ID spoof I ever heard was a chap at Aldermaston who wore an ID badge bearing a photo of Kruschev during the coldest part of the Cold War for over a year before it was noticed......
*For yoof, they were a 'popular beat combo'!
Which Wee Stevie had made the mistake of leaving in his SD cap, together with the rest of the contents of his uniform pockets, before changing into his immersion suit to go flying the previous night - and which had been discovered and modified by a couple of chums.
It was probably the Beatle* hairstyle, huge glasses and the horns sprouting from his head, carefully added in black chinagraph which had amused the guard...and Wee Stevie did see the funny side!
Best ID spoof I ever heard was a chap at Aldermaston who wore an ID badge bearing a photo of Kruschev during the coldest part of the Cold War for over a year before it was noticed......
*For yoof, they were a 'popular beat combo'!
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What confuses me about this story is in this time of heightened alertness due to the arrest of someone in the grounds the week before, someone in the protection team must/should have noticed that the DOY had left the Palace main building and gone for a walk to a secluded part of the grounds as is reported. Why was this not communicated to other team members? I would assume that if a Royal parked their car in the Royal Mews and decided to walk to the Palace over the lawn, Palace staff would be advised, if only so someone is there to open the door, it all sounds like a local command and control issue to me.
I would like to think the police officers that protect our Royal Family would all know what these people look like
How many times have you seen a "celeb" and done the is it/isn't it conversation? I bumped into Paul Merton in an HMV store and took a double take as I didn't realise how tall he was "in real life".
It appears that a number of contributors to the thread based their opinions on a story reported in a newspaper.
I, of course, take as gospel everything I read in the press except for the odd occasions when I happen to know the facts - when the report seems to bear little resemblance. Am I just unlucky in this respect? Surely our media do not go by the dictum 'never let the facts get in the way of a good story'.
I, of course, take as gospel everything I read in the press except for the odd occasions when I happen to know the facts - when the report seems to bear little resemblance. Am I just unlucky in this respect? Surely our media do not go by the dictum 'never let the facts get in the way of a good story'.
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Tashengurt Er. As resident plod I'd like to point out that we don't spend our working days concocting lies.
There's little that I do that's worth the risk if I was caught lying.
There's little that I do that's worth the risk if I was caught lying.
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Ok so its a newspaper report so a large pinch of salt required but....to paraphrase:
"An unidentified man reacted with fury at being challenged for identificaton in the grounds of Buckingham palace. ...yet no weapons were drawn."
Why not? This is the Queens residence and she may have been out of town but why did they react so calmly to an "intruder".
I smell something....
"An unidentified man reacted with fury at being challenged for identificaton in the grounds of Buckingham palace. ...yet no weapons were drawn."
Why not? This is the Queens residence and she may have been out of town but why did they react so calmly to an "intruder".
I smell something....
Outlaw Pete said " but why did they react so calmly to an "intruder".
Perhaps they're aware of his 'history' of making a menace of himself in years gone by
I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you
Perhaps they're aware of his 'history' of making a menace of himself in years gone by
I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you
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After the intruder episode maybe the DOY was doing a bit of a 'test' of the palace security, not just an innocent walk in the garden, so the PCs reacted as they would be expected to under those circumstances, i.e. unidentified male roaming freely in the palace gardens? There are some very authentic face masks about these days so a simple eyeball verification would not be sufficient. Close examination and alternative ID may have been required? Maybe this is where the disagreement between DOY and police occurred?
All conjecture but possible.
All conjecture but possible.
I may have told this before but here goes, briefly.
JHQ Rheindahlen had an "Army" entrance and a "RAF" entrance ....... not that RAF could not go in "Army", but custom and practice, and the RAF entrance was run by snowballs, army by redcaps.
Army-issue passes: red background, ID photo.
RAF passes: blue and ditto.
Passes worn "at all times" on chain.
Liable to search and check in and out, and often.
A colleague in the MainMetOffice was about to leave the building and fished his pass out of his pocket. "Bloody hell! I've got the wife's pass!
Wife was "an army civilian"
She had his, of course.
So he phoned her and they met half way down Leystrasse in nomansland and swapped.
Security .......... I've shat it!
JHQ Rheindahlen had an "Army" entrance and a "RAF" entrance ....... not that RAF could not go in "Army", but custom and practice, and the RAF entrance was run by snowballs, army by redcaps.
Army-issue passes: red background, ID photo.
RAF passes: blue and ditto.
Passes worn "at all times" on chain.
Liable to search and check in and out, and often.
A colleague in the MainMetOffice was about to leave the building and fished his pass out of his pocket. "Bloody hell! I've got the wife's pass!
Wife was "an army civilian"
She had his, of course.
So he phoned her and they met half way down Leystrasse in nomansland and swapped.
Security .......... I've shat it!
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As I commented in another thread following the birth of Prince George about a month ago concerning the succession:
Passed on FWIW!
after all he's not exactly anywhere near next in line to anything these days, simply a sponger off the public purse
Well according to a letter in The Times, those who envisage a long procession of male monarchs stretching into the 22nd century following the recent birth of Will's and Kate's Prince George will need to think again: ‘It is true that Princes William and now George are in line to the throne, but in the UK we have direct succession. So, if by some calamity the Queen were to be predeceased by her son, Charles, before he ascends to the throne,’ (perhaps by talking to one of his plants at ‘Highgrove’ that turns out to be a Triffid, that despatches him with it’s venomous sting.) ‘with the Queen still on the throne and Charles gone her direct descendant and heir would be Prince Andrew, with his eldest daughter becoming heir apparent.’
So if by chance ‘Air Miles’ Andrew became King, he would in due course be succeeded by his eldest daughter Bea as Queen Beatrice — and to add to the excitement his ex-wife Fergie would become ‘Queen Mother’ — a thrilling prospect!
So if by chance ‘Air Miles’ Andrew became King, he would in due course be succeeded by his eldest daughter Bea as Queen Beatrice — and to add to the excitement his ex-wife Fergie would become ‘Queen Mother’ — a thrilling prospect!
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You are to be congratulated, but I have here on my desk a letter from the CC of a very large force that apologises for lies told by one of her officers, incorrect process followed and a wholly undeserved warning that was issued to me for doing something that I was told to do by one of her officers.
In ten years I may have got it wrong (more than once!) and lost my rag (more than once and invariably at 2AM with some drunken halfwit who felt like taking me on, or at the huge traffic accident when the inevitable 45th SFQ comes up "oh, has there been an accident?", "What gave it away sir? The three police cars, the two fire engines, the three ambulances, the medivac helicopter landing next to us or the trashed car in plain site?") and upset plenty of people (you upset roughly 50% of the people you deal with in policing). . but the one thing I NEVER, EVER did was lie. EVER. Honestly messing things up and getting it wrong happens when you're human. . . lying about it is never worth it and will lose you your job in no time, I've seen it happen more than once, and for the kind of little white lie that actually didn't matter in the scheme of things. No matter, you were caught lying.
The police are an easy target these days because the level of institutional cowardice in the UK police service makes the past allegations of institutional racism pale. The default position is "sorry" BEFORE facts are established with a complaint, and often a local resolution is pushed for just to wrap it up, which often means someone getting an underserved apology and tripping away happily in the knowledge that they have "won" or "stuck it to da man". The service is top heavy with managers and very light on leaders.
Noen of which bother me any more, I resigned at Christmas and life is much nicer these days!
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After the intruder episode maybe the DOY was doing a bit of a 'test' of the palace security, not just an innocent walk in the garden, so the PCs reacted as they would be expected to under those circumstances, i.e. unidentified male roaming freely in the palace gardens? There are some very authentic face masks about these days so a simple eyeball verification would not be sufficient. Close examination and alternative ID may have been required? Maybe this is where the disagreement between DOY and police occurred?
Oh no, he wouldn't need to.....
