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Can't wait for the headlines in the UK newspapers over the next few days 
I would laugh if they did actually publish something from here.
I would laugh if they did actually publish something from here.
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Rumoour is that all they they are really going to do is to change the composition of the Chemtrails over Syria and drop nerve agent antidote liquid.
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Accurate journalists, an oxymoron surely. It's not just the tabloids that get it wrong either, TV newscasters among others regularly describe anything with tracks as 'tanks', particularly if it has a turret and gun, thus CVR(T) (whichever version), AS90, Warrior, and even the FV432 are described as 'tanks'.
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The Rocks are now boarding at Scampton on their Special Forces transport en-route to somewhere at the eastern end of the Med ...
Apparently traveling in No1's is all part of the deception plan to throw the UK Press off the story ... keep it under your hat chaps
(seriously though) Cracking picture
Apparently traveling in No1's is all part of the deception plan to throw the UK Press off the story ... keep it under your hat chaps
(seriously though) Cracking picture
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Scorpion, Scimitar and Sabre.
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As a journalist who has worked very closely with the military, I have to agree with a lot of the above.
Journalists who understand military stuff are rare. As a bit of an anorak, I get a lot of it and come down very hard on journos who don't.
However - a lot of you don't make it easy.
Imagine you are an ordinary paper journalist. You cover court stories, crime stories, consumer stuff etc. Then you get sent on a carrier.
So the Helo or cab or mustang, picks you up to to take you to a CVS. You are in your Goon Suit. You are taken there in a Gucci helo. Land on, go to the ACR, then the wardroom but it's roughers so you'd better not spill your goffer. But its OK, there are some 801 people over there, Shar Jockeys and some crabs who fly the mud movers. The other guys are baggers, and the ones in the corner pingers.
Your pit is in 2 Sierra Seven, and if you want the heads its aft over the ladder chain on the STBD side.
Down in the SCC there is the Olys and the Stokers.
Then if you get lost and meet a chief - they aren't in charge, but are really. Watch he may flash at you.
So, tell me again, the Shar is a mud mover isn't it? No. OK but are they not bombs under its wings. Drop tanks. Oh I see. It carries missiles. But the mud moving one has missiles on it too. But Shars carry bombs too. Its not a navy plane, its RAF. Oh JFH. Right.
So there's a guy who's back from Op Herrick 3. He's a Flobs on HMA8s now.. What's that about? The Buffer will explain.
Slightly old examples, but chuck a journo or any ordinary member of the public into that and its going to be confusing.
I used to train a lot of you in how to deal with the media. The first thing I told anyone. Speak English and explain stuff in simple terms.
One fast jet looks much like another to someone who has never seen one before. If it is painted green has a gun and runs on tracks.....Most people would think it was a tank.
Add that to random pictures being put in photo archives, by someone who doesn't know the difference between a Fiesta and a Corsa, and that's where part of the problem lies.
I am not making excuses for bad journalism. There are bad journos as there are bad bakers, doctors, bin men, soldiers - whatever.
PR of varying quality, the constant change of people in a job, and a closed to the outside world mentality by many doesn't make things any easier.
Journalists who understand military stuff are rare. As a bit of an anorak, I get a lot of it and come down very hard on journos who don't.
However - a lot of you don't make it easy.
Imagine you are an ordinary paper journalist. You cover court stories, crime stories, consumer stuff etc. Then you get sent on a carrier.
So the Helo or cab or mustang, picks you up to to take you to a CVS. You are in your Goon Suit. You are taken there in a Gucci helo. Land on, go to the ACR, then the wardroom but it's roughers so you'd better not spill your goffer. But its OK, there are some 801 people over there, Shar Jockeys and some crabs who fly the mud movers. The other guys are baggers, and the ones in the corner pingers.
Your pit is in 2 Sierra Seven, and if you want the heads its aft over the ladder chain on the STBD side.
Down in the SCC there is the Olys and the Stokers.
Then if you get lost and meet a chief - they aren't in charge, but are really. Watch he may flash at you.
So, tell me again, the Shar is a mud mover isn't it? No. OK but are they not bombs under its wings. Drop tanks. Oh I see. It carries missiles. But the mud moving one has missiles on it too. But Shars carry bombs too. Its not a navy plane, its RAF. Oh JFH. Right.
So there's a guy who's back from Op Herrick 3. He's a Flobs on HMA8s now.. What's that about? The Buffer will explain.
Slightly old examples, but chuck a journo or any ordinary member of the public into that and its going to be confusing.
I used to train a lot of you in how to deal with the media. The first thing I told anyone. Speak English and explain stuff in simple terms.
One fast jet looks much like another to someone who has never seen one before. If it is painted green has a gun and runs on tracks.....Most people would think it was a tank.
Add that to random pictures being put in photo archives, by someone who doesn't know the difference between a Fiesta and a Corsa, and that's where part of the problem lies.
I am not making excuses for bad journalism. There are bad journos as there are bad bakers, doctors, bin men, soldiers - whatever.
PR of varying quality, the constant change of people in a job, and a closed to the outside world mentality by many doesn't make things any easier.
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Technically 3 versions of CVR(T) were tanks (albeit light ones).
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The media.... Never letting the truth get in the way of a good story.
Doesn't matter what you say in an interview as segments of it will be taken out of context, cut and pasted to meet their agenda. They already know how they want to portray the subject.
Doesn't matter what you say in an interview as segments of it will be taken out of context, cut and pasted to meet their agenda. They already know how they want to portray the subject.
No denying what you're saying tyne, but is it too much to ask that someone checks their facts and/or gets something proof-read first? It really wouldn't take much effort, time or money.
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No, not too much to ask. The above was partly a reason why, not an excuse.
Sloppy reporting can cause a lot more than irritation.
In 2003 a Sea Knight crashed during the Iraq operation. A TV channel ran a picture of a Chinook. It took a lot of shouting and arguing before I got them to change the image.
Yes they look the same...sort of. But families of UK Chinook crews must have had a heart stopping few moments when they saw it.
The problem is, who checks the accuracy. Other non expert journos. Not every newsroom has a geek like me to keep them straight.
I really don't know if there is a practical answer.
All I can suggest is better media training. An understanding that most media are not BFBS or Navy news, a willingness to explain things in simple terms would help.
Also understand that the military is not THE most important thing to the journo or their editor.
The agenda, what stories are covered etc is decided by the journo or the editor (Bearing in mind OPSEC etc) not by the minder. A hack may want to meet the guys in the cookhouse. Another may only be interested in talking to commanders.
If however things get published that are wrong. Tell the publication.
Sloppy reporting can cause a lot more than irritation.
In 2003 a Sea Knight crashed during the Iraq operation. A TV channel ran a picture of a Chinook. It took a lot of shouting and arguing before I got them to change the image.
Yes they look the same...sort of. But families of UK Chinook crews must have had a heart stopping few moments when they saw it.
The problem is, who checks the accuracy. Other non expert journos. Not every newsroom has a geek like me to keep them straight.
I really don't know if there is a practical answer.
All I can suggest is better media training. An understanding that most media are not BFBS or Navy news, a willingness to explain things in simple terms would help.
Also understand that the military is not THE most important thing to the journo or their editor.
The agenda, what stories are covered etc is decided by the journo or the editor (Bearing in mind OPSEC etc) not by the minder. A hack may want to meet the guys in the cookhouse. Another may only be interested in talking to commanders.
If however things get published that are wrong. Tell the publication.
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Wens - re your post 21. No windows in an E3 then? IFR all the way!
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The aircraft are to be based at RAF Dhekelia in Cyprus and deployment is expected to start by Friday.
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anotherthing, those heels look as if they could do serious damage
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"The problem is, who checks the accuracy. Other non expert journos. Not every newsroom has a geek like me to keep them straight.
I really don't know if there is a practical answer."
It's called professionalism and whether you (as in the newspaper, editor, reporter) want to look like a dick or a professional person.
They seem to, wouldn't or are less likely to make the same mistake with the Royals, calling a Judge a Lawyer or F1
or 1000cc motorcycle racing so why with the military ?
And as someone else pointed out, they then want us to pay for it !!!
I really don't know if there is a practical answer."
It's called professionalism and whether you (as in the newspaper, editor, reporter) want to look like a dick or a professional person.
They seem to, wouldn't or are less likely to make the same mistake with the Royals, calling a Judge a Lawyer or F1
or 1000cc motorcycle racing so why with the military ?
And as someone else pointed out, they then want us to pay for it !!!
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Newspaper consumption is dwindling - maybe the lack in rigour/professionalism is part the problem.
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