Buccaneer Performance
Originally Posted by thing
Can't remember why we had Hunters defending the airfield when we had F4's.
Then they started putting MEZs round airfields and that rather spoilt all the fun.
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CM, did you ever see the Top Secret alternative war plans for the Hawks?
It was practised frequently in the guise of a Badger and two Kelt ASM on anti-shipping strike.
What all this practice amounted to was a covert training plan for your real anti-shipping strike package.
Two fully loaded Hawks tucked under a 360 Sqn Canberra, directed by a Shackleton with music from the Canberra, the Ride of the Valkyries would have been apposite.
While Boris was rolling around the deck in mirth and merriment, tears streaming down his face, the Buccs would have come in from the other direction.
It was practised frequently in the guise of a Badger and two Kelt ASM on anti-shipping strike.
What all this practice amounted to was a covert training plan for your real anti-shipping strike package.
Two fully loaded Hawks tucked under a 360 Sqn Canberra, directed by a Shackleton with music from the Canberra, the Ride of the Valkyries would have been apposite.
While Boris was rolling around the deck in mirth and merriment, tears streaming down his face, the Buccs would have come in from the other direction.
Last edited by Pontius Navigator; 25th Aug 2013 at 10:14.
Rory - when was that photo taken? I was lucky enough to have had a ride in the coalhole of a 'Vixen involved in the 1966 SBAC display!
Re. LAD, it could be great fun. I once tucked in behind an F-104 attacking Wattisham; roaring across Stowmarket in hot pursuit was epic sport! I also arranged an exercise where the 'defecting' Vulcan was briefed to do all the right things until past the Bloodhound min. range, then gear up, bomb doors open and accelerate across the aerodrome.... But the 2 F-4s escorting him soon put paid to that. Crewed by Jonthony and 'Mad' Major Tim, the Luftwaffe exchange pilot - Jon called that the Vulcan was long longer defecting, to which Tim called out "SHOOT ZE F***ER!!", which had the desired result.
Re. AAR, it's a compromise between limiting speeds for the tanker's kit, receiver handling qualities at AAR speeds/heights due to IAS/TAS ratio, available thrust at the IAS and altitude required, fuel onload rate and burn rates etc. Trail refueling bracket planning used to be a black art involving experience, bits of string and wet finger guesses. But that's sooo last century; nowadays modern tankers have onboard software to create bracket locations etc:
Or perhaps I should say, some modern tankers do! The A310MRTT and CC150T have had this capability for several years now (and it's currently being developed even further) - but as for the Voyager.......
Hecho en España = no funciona!
Re. LAD, it could be great fun. I once tucked in behind an F-104 attacking Wattisham; roaring across Stowmarket in hot pursuit was epic sport! I also arranged an exercise where the 'defecting' Vulcan was briefed to do all the right things until past the Bloodhound min. range, then gear up, bomb doors open and accelerate across the aerodrome.... But the 2 F-4s escorting him soon put paid to that. Crewed by Jonthony and 'Mad' Major Tim, the Luftwaffe exchange pilot - Jon called that the Vulcan was long longer defecting, to which Tim called out "SHOOT ZE F***ER!!", which had the desired result.
Re. AAR, it's a compromise between limiting speeds for the tanker's kit, receiver handling qualities at AAR speeds/heights due to IAS/TAS ratio, available thrust at the IAS and altitude required, fuel onload rate and burn rates etc. Trail refueling bracket planning used to be a black art involving experience, bits of string and wet finger guesses. But that's sooo last century; nowadays modern tankers have onboard software to create bracket locations etc:
Or perhaps I should say, some modern tankers do! The A310MRTT and CC150T have had this capability for several years now (and it's currently being developed even further) - but as for the Voyager.......
Hecho en España = no funciona!
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Sorry Beagle, can't say anything about the photo, I found it through google when this thread stirred memories of those great '60s Farnborough shows.
Must have been quite a ride for you but I guess I saw more of the display!
Must have been quite a ride for you but I guess I saw more of the display!
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This thread is worthless without pics - either of wenches or the banananananananana jet.
sadly I am but a yoof and never had the pleasure of working on such a man's aeroplane - i spent all my time on the F3 and the flying transit van.
your incessant questions about fuel and performace lead me to only one conclusion - you stole a bucc and are going to fly it on the quiet!!!!
I volunteer to be your liney.....
This thread is worthless without pics - either of wenches or the banananananananana jet.
sadly I am but a yoof and never had the pleasure of working on such a man's aeroplane - i spent all my time on the F3 and the flying transit van.
your incessant questions about fuel and performace lead me to only one conclusion - you stole a bucc and are going to fly it on the quiet!!!!
I volunteer to be your liney.....
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My link at #7 would place the photo at the 1968 Farnborough display:
The first public display of the team was on May 9, 1968 at Biggin Hill Air Fair, follows by demonstrations at Brawdy, Yeovilton and Farnborough. At the end of the season the team flew coordinated displays with No. 809 Squadron display team “Phoenix Five”, which flew Buccaneers. At the end of 1968 the Simon's Sircus display team was disbanded.
From my log book that was 21/22 Sep 68 as we too did a display with the Spitfire and Hurricane. It was the same year the Atlantic crashed in to the hangar.
The first public display of the team was on May 9, 1968 at Biggin Hill Air Fair, follows by demonstrations at Brawdy, Yeovilton and Farnborough. At the end of the season the team flew coordinated displays with No. 809 Squadron display team “Phoenix Five”, which flew Buccaneers. At the end of 1968 the Simon's Sircus display team was disbanded.
From my log book that was 21/22 Sep 68 as we too did a display with the Spitfire and Hurricane. It was the same year the Atlantic crashed in to the hangar.
It was useful to find out that Graham Pitchfork is writing another book. I remember going to a lecture on the Buccaneer which he presented to the Brough Branch of the RAeS some years ago.
One of his most memorable comments was in the description of the original intended role of the Buccaneer in attacking the Russian capital ships. As he put it, 'We weren't planning just to blast a few holes in them, we were going to vapourise the buggers'
One of his most memorable comments was in the description of the original intended role of the Buccaneer in attacking the Russian capital ships. As he put it, 'We weren't planning just to blast a few holes in them, we were going to vapourise the buggers'
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Yes, I looped the Buccaneer, but like 45-25-25, just the once!
End of first tour, overconfident and tasked with flying a Bucc on it's last trip before it was to be scrapped, I decided that there was no better time to risk an overstress. I was given the top tips by an experienced pilot: slack pull on the way up, once over the top, close the throttles, open the air brake, and keep pulling.
I'm still here!
End of first tour, overconfident and tasked with flying a Bucc on it's last trip before it was to be scrapped, I decided that there was no better time to risk an overstress. I was given the top tips by an experienced pilot: slack pull on the way up, once over the top, close the throttles, open the air brake, and keep pulling.
I'm still here!
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This photo of the Buccaneer in the vertical was taken on 30 May 1973 by a MOD Photographer a Mr Stevenson.
I was the pilot of the other Buccaneer so there were 2 in the vertical! We were actually airborne to be whipper in for a rehearsal of a Silver Sceptre HM The Queen's Birthday Flypast.
I have a photo of the Silver Sceptre formation 4 Vulcans in line astern the first with 2 Buccaneers on each wing tip, the second with 2 F4s on each wing and the final 2 Vulcans with 2 Lightnings on each wing. Sadly I am not sure how to attach it.
I was the pilot of the other Buccaneer so there were 2 in the vertical! We were actually airborne to be whipper in for a rehearsal of a Silver Sceptre HM The Queen's Birthday Flypast.
I have a photo of the Silver Sceptre formation 4 Vulcans in line astern the first with 2 Buccaneers on each wing tip, the second with 2 F4s on each wing and the final 2 Vulcans with 2 Lightnings on each wing. Sadly I am not sure how to attach it.
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Haven't tried posting a you tube link before but this one shows a Buccaneer going vertical.
