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Woman RAF officer joins top military brass

Old 1st Sep 2013, 11:34
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PS. Just had a PM from someone, so I thought I would clarify. I'm not digging at individuals regarding their op experience. However, I am asking the questionof whether we should ask our strategic leaders to have significant hands-on op experience? The fact that a large proportion of air traffickers have not deployed very much is not a dig at them - they have had a very important ops support task to do here in the UK.

I've served around Air Traffickers in the Falklands, Afghanistan, Iraq and the Balkans. Often it is their specialisation that lets them down as it is normally not easily transferrable to control in other country's airspace.

I've often thought we send too many non-op types to staff college who end up being starred ranks and their knowledge of our core business (airpower projection) is woefully thin - again, this is not a dig at any particular individual on this thread!

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Old 1st Sep 2013, 20:26
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we send too many non-op types to staff college who end up being starred ranks and their knowledge of our core business (airpower projection) is woefully thin
I agree, we send lots of Pers Spt, Air BMs, Suppliers, Rock Apes, RAFP, Flt Ops and others to Advanced Staff College and there's only usually 1 gusting 2 starred posts for them to fill - what a waste indeed.

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Old 1st Sep 2013, 21:23
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ACSC attendance is for reserved for those demonstrating the potential for promotion to Gp Capt, the number of Air Rank appointments per Branch is therefore irrelevant.

Service on ops can only be of benefit to the professional development of any serviceperson but it doesn't necessarily follow that lack of op experience is detrimental.
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Old 1st Sep 2013, 22:56
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To prepare selected officers for high-grade appointments at OF4/OF5 level and potentially above, by developing their command, analytical and communication skills, and by providing a broad understanding and knowledge of joint military operations in the context of an integrated approach, and of defence and security as a whole.
You are of course technically correct, but a lot of good operators don't get ACSC as they don't have the "reach" to 1-2 star (I know as I used to work in Manning). Which is a bit pants as a lot of branches that attend don't have this "reach" to start with!!

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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 08:47
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The solution could be to open the number of Air Ranks available to non-"Operators"......
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 12:18
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We could start by identifying what competencies we require for each rank/role. Then we could select, train and post individuals in order enable them to obtain the correct mix of skills, knowledge and experience to best prepare them for every stage of the career. Or we could just continue to stovepipe people by branch and job title and ignore the idea of best person for the job.

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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 15:19
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As the RAF downsizes....are there being made reductions in the numbers of Star Ranks commensurate to the reduction in over all manning? Or....would such reductions stymie promoting the necessary qualified people to those Ranks in order to have them available for some large War mobilization need?
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Old 4th Dec 2013, 13:11
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I thought this was a good piece from Sky News, with AVM Elaine West, that's just been released ...

Sky News AVM E. West

Originally Posted by Sky News By Alistair Bunkall, Defence Correspondent
In her first interview since being promoted, Air Vice-Marshal Elaine West told Sky News the military is modernising to mirror society and insisted the UK is not out of date by preventing women from fighting on the frontline.
Well played Ma'am
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Old 4th Dec 2013, 20:27
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In her first interview since being promoted, Air Vice-Marshal Elaine West told Sky News the military is modernising to mirror society and insisted the UK is not out of date by preventing women from fighting on the frontline
Whoop de do.

If we are going to mirror society, how long until we can expect the disabled and ex-offenders with 'unspent' convictions to start applying to join?

Newsflash for MOD Main Office, there is no such thing as equality. It is a manufactured concept in vogue since the 18th century revolutions.

If it made economic sense to a company to have 50% of its board composed of women, don't you think the profit-hungry venture capitalists from NY to London would have done it as a matter of course already??!!

Similarly, if all women were capable of achieving Air Rank after 30+ years of hard work, and wanted to make the sacrifices necessary, then 50% of Air Ranks..........would be women??

The fact is, that most women drop out of the mil to have the children they so obviously want (my wife and 3 kids at home being a case in point). If she wanted to be a career animal - she would have been one.

So lets cut the social engineering newspeak and concentrate on what's important: Another senior officer, in an RAF with about 7 front line sqns (hyperbole, I know), has been promoted by fair means or foul, who knows. It matters not what gender they are.
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Old 4th Dec 2013, 21:10
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If we are going to mirror society, how long until we can expect the disabled and ex-offenders with 'unspent' convictions to start applying to join?
That's not really a fair comparison, virtually no large civilian company will want to employ someone with convictions, and certainly not unspent ones. Spent, then yes they'll have to "consider" them by law, but that's no guarantee the person will be viewed very favourably especially when they're up against someone equally qualified with a lack of same "spent convictions".
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Old 5th Dec 2013, 00:11
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Training Risky,

"It matters not what gender they are."

Well, judging from your hysterical rant, it appears to matter to you!

You are aware that it is possible to be a success in business or whatever chosen career path, AND a mother?
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Old 5th Dec 2013, 08:04
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What matters is selection based on merit, not quota filling. All the PR-spin 'first at whatever' stories are meaningless drivel in a world where sexism/racism is illegal and young girls can become Queen and PM.

And yes it is possible to be a success in business or whatever chosen career path, AND a mother, but the few examples you can hold up as role models are notable as exceptions (Horlick/Roddick/Thatcher).

To clarify, if the business/political/military worlds were meant to be statistically representative of society - then all the naturally talented and able women (who want to sacrifice their family time) would be in 50% of top positions by now. Human nature and biology say that is not meant to be so - so they are not.
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Old 5th Dec 2013, 09:47
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You are aware that it is possible to be a success in business or whatever chosen career path, AND a mother?
Evidently not in the Training Risky household!
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Old 30th Dec 2013, 15:18
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and another, good on the girls..


https://www.gov.uk/government/organi...try-of-defence
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Old 30th Dec 2013, 15:37
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With apologies to Harry Callahan...

MRS. GREY: His Honor intends to broaden the areas of participation for women in the police force.

CALLAHAN: Well that sounds very stylish.
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Old 30th Dec 2013, 16:14
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During her career she has deployed to Iraq on both the First Gulf War in 1991, and again on Operation Telic in 2003 when she was Chief Engineer for the Joint Helicopter Force.
So no snide remarks about no campaign medals for this lady!

Just dragged out the photo of my graduation parade at Feltwell in 1964. The portly old AVM who took our parade looks old enough in the pic to be this lady's father.

At least some things are looking up in the RAF
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Old 29th Mar 2014, 15:37
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How WRAF Officers were trained in 1965
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 10:50
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Thanks for posting Ricardian - lots of interesting memories of the OCTU at Feltwell. The chap on the left watching the girl on the trampoline at 4 mins 30 seconds is a 17 year old Officer Cadet Tankertrashnav! I'd forgotten all about that film and it's taken almost 50 years to get to see it.

Don't the WRAF officers look smart? I know combats are more practical, but do they really have to be worn on a non-operational station in the UK?
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 11:38
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Nice one, ricardian, although I didn't recognise any of the ladies! Nice shot of an MPN11 there at 10:00 in

Greetings, tankertrashnav, from a fellow Feltwell (172 Yellow Sqn [all male sqn], Jan-Apr 65).
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 13:52
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Tankertrashnav - glad you eventually got to see your five seconds of fame! Is it my imagination or do those blues look a lot darker than they really were? Very smart ladies though
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