New Japanese Carrier
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PoW. An unfortunate acronym in a JDF thread.
(For those of you playing at home, it's the Prince of Wales!...took me a moment.)
(For those of you playing at home, it's the Prince of Wales!...took me a moment.)
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Need somebody who can read Japanese to gather any more details from the original article. Is “mother ship” a better euphemism than “through-deck cruiser”?
Alert 5 » Japan?s LDP is calling the proposed aircraft carrier as mother ship - Military Aviation News
Japan’s LDP is calling the proposed aircraft carrier as mother ship
Japan’s Liberal Democratic Party has unveiled its proposal for the country’s mid term defense plan. It urged the government to procure the F-35B and upgrade the Izumo-class to support the fighter.
Instead of calling the upgraded vessel an aircraft carrier, the party is now calling it a “multi-purpose mother ship”.
Alert 5 » Japan?s LDP is calling the proposed aircraft carrier as mother ship - Military Aviation News
Japan’s LDP is calling the proposed aircraft carrier as mother ship
Japan’s Liberal Democratic Party has unveiled its proposal for the country’s mid term defense plan. It urged the government to procure the F-35B and upgrade the Izumo-class to support the fighter.
Instead of calling the upgraded vessel an aircraft carrier, the party is now calling it a “multi-purpose mother ship”.
Wonder if they want a couple of bigger "mother ships"?
We could cut the middle man out and supply direct.
I'm sure they could get a decent price on a part delivered batch of 48 B models too.
Everyone would be a winner?
We could cut the middle man out and supply direct.
I'm sure they could get a decent price on a part delivered batch of 48 B models too.
Everyone would be a winner?
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The heavy mob will be around shortly for daring to suggest we don't need several Carrier Battle Groups..................
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Japan avoids flak by refusing to call flattop ?aircraft carrier??The Asahi Shimbun
Japan avoids flak by refusing to call flattop ‘aircraft carrier’
Although a Japanese naval vessel may be retrofitted to carry fighter jets, the ruling parties will call the Izumo a "multi-purpose operation destroyer" to avoid criticism that use as an aircraft carrier would violate the pacifist Constitution. Members of the ruling parties’ working team on revising the National Defense Program Guidelines, which the government expects to approve later this month, reached a consensus on what to call the Izumo-class destroyers during a meeting on Dec. 5.
The Abe administration has been considering retrofitting the Maritime Self-Defense Force's Izumo into an effective aircraft carrier that can deploy U.S.-made F-35B stealth fighter jets, which can take off and land vertically. However, an issue on how to maintain compatibility of the use with the war-renouncing Article 9 of the Constitution will likely remain a problem with the Izumo becoming a de facto offensive aircraft carrier, the first in the Japanese fleet. The 248-meter-long vessel would be reliant on its complement of F-35Bs, resulting in exceeding the defensive nature as specified in the Constitution.
In the meeting, Defense Ministry officials explained the plan of thickening the decks of two Izumo-class destroyers, which carry helicopters, and making other adjustments so that F-35Bs can be launched from there, according to a source who attended the meeting. The government has taken a stance that Japan is not allowed to operate an attack aircraft carrier, which would mark a departure from the principle that the nation should be limited to maintaining necessary self-defense capabilities. Lawmakers therefore discussed an official name of the new carrier in keeping in line with the Constitution.
A proposal to call the vessel a “defensive aircraft carrier” also emerged from the Liberal Democratic Party but Komeito, the ruling LDP's junior coalition partner, opposed the idea, arguing that using the term of “aircraft carrier” is unacceptable. The LDP’s proposal for the National Defense Program Guidelines compiled in May features a term of “multi-purpose operation mother ship.” However, Komeito frowned on the idea, saying that the expression of “bokan" (mother ship) conjures up the image of “kubo" (aircraft carrier). The LDP and Komeito finally agreed on calling the Izumo-class destroyer a “multi-purpose operation destroyer,” according to participants at the meeting.
“(The LDP and Komeito) shared a common view of enabling the carrier to be used for multi-purpose operations within the scope of recognizing the vessel as a destroyer,” said Itsunori Onodera, a former defense minister who heads the ruling parties' working group dealing with the guideline revisions, after the meeting.
The two parties also shared their views and opinions over the need to introduce 100 or so F-35s in the future during the meeting. Approximately 40 of the fighters are expected to be models that can take off from short distances, with an eye to operating them off the deck of the retrofitted Izumo........
Japan avoids flak by refusing to call flattop ‘aircraft carrier’
Although a Japanese naval vessel may be retrofitted to carry fighter jets, the ruling parties will call the Izumo a "multi-purpose operation destroyer" to avoid criticism that use as an aircraft carrier would violate the pacifist Constitution. Members of the ruling parties’ working team on revising the National Defense Program Guidelines, which the government expects to approve later this month, reached a consensus on what to call the Izumo-class destroyers during a meeting on Dec. 5.
The Abe administration has been considering retrofitting the Maritime Self-Defense Force's Izumo into an effective aircraft carrier that can deploy U.S.-made F-35B stealth fighter jets, which can take off and land vertically. However, an issue on how to maintain compatibility of the use with the war-renouncing Article 9 of the Constitution will likely remain a problem with the Izumo becoming a de facto offensive aircraft carrier, the first in the Japanese fleet. The 248-meter-long vessel would be reliant on its complement of F-35Bs, resulting in exceeding the defensive nature as specified in the Constitution.
In the meeting, Defense Ministry officials explained the plan of thickening the decks of two Izumo-class destroyers, which carry helicopters, and making other adjustments so that F-35Bs can be launched from there, according to a source who attended the meeting. The government has taken a stance that Japan is not allowed to operate an attack aircraft carrier, which would mark a departure from the principle that the nation should be limited to maintaining necessary self-defense capabilities. Lawmakers therefore discussed an official name of the new carrier in keeping in line with the Constitution.
A proposal to call the vessel a “defensive aircraft carrier” also emerged from the Liberal Democratic Party but Komeito, the ruling LDP's junior coalition partner, opposed the idea, arguing that using the term of “aircraft carrier” is unacceptable. The LDP’s proposal for the National Defense Program Guidelines compiled in May features a term of “multi-purpose operation mother ship.” However, Komeito frowned on the idea, saying that the expression of “bokan" (mother ship) conjures up the image of “kubo" (aircraft carrier). The LDP and Komeito finally agreed on calling the Izumo-class destroyer a “multi-purpose operation destroyer,” according to participants at the meeting.
“(The LDP and Komeito) shared a common view of enabling the carrier to be used for multi-purpose operations within the scope of recognizing the vessel as a destroyer,” said Itsunori Onodera, a former defense minister who heads the ruling parties' working group dealing with the guideline revisions, after the meeting.
The two parties also shared their views and opinions over the need to introduce 100 or so F-35s in the future during the meeting. Approximately 40 of the fighters are expected to be models that can take off from short distances, with an eye to operating them off the deck of the retrofitted Izumo........
Buying 24 - 36 F-35B's and landing them on an "Izumo"as a part of the deal wouldn't really affect Japan's overall F-35 capability but would add some expensive headaches for the PLAN
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
New Attack Helicopters For Japan Probably Will Go To Sea | Vertical Flight content from Aviation Week
New Attack Helicopters For Japan Probably Will Go To Sea
Japan’s prospective requirement for its New Attack Helicopter is likely to include shipboard operation and entry into service no later than the mid-2020s. Six companies are preparing to bid with widely varied offerings when a formal requirement is issued: Airbus, Bell, Boeing, Kawasaki Heavy Industries (KHI), Leonardo and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI).
At this early stage, the defense ministry merely has sought information for a possible acquisition for 30-50 attack helicopters to replace 59 Bell AH-1S Cobras. They are survivors of 90 built by Fuji Heavy Industries, now Subaru, in 1979-2000. The prospective production figure, in-service date in the mid-2020s and need for operation at sea were in a request for information issued in May, industry sources say.
A key consideration for the ministry is the need to reinforce or recover conquered remote islands in the chain that stretches southwest toward China.
KHI wants to base an offering on the twin-engine OH-1 observation helicopter, industry sources say. KHI needs a new engine as the poor reliability of the current 660-kW (885-hp) MHI TS1-M-10 has caused the OH-1 to be grounded since August 2015, according to local media and industry sources. Honeywell tells the Nikkei newspaper it is working with KHI to improve the OH-1’s engine. This appears to be an elliptical way of saying the two companies will replace it, since MHI would be the company to cooperate with Honeywell on improving the TS1-M-10.......
MHI could propose the Sikorsky UH-60 in a heavy-armament derivative that the U.S. company is supplying to the United Arab Emirates. MHI displayed a model of the concept, with a long stub wing on each side of the upper fuselage. The UH-60 in this configuration can still carry soldiers. An MHI official at the show said this capability could be useful for securing ground.
The two U.S. contenders are each offering their current production attack helicopters: the Bell AH-1Z Viper, unrelated to the AH-1S except in name and appearance; and the Boeing AH-64 Apache.
Depending on how serious Japan is about shipboard operation, the Viper, designed for the U.S. Marine Corps, may have a strong advantage. The design resists corrosion and has radiation hardening to protect systems from powerful naval radars, notes Bell’s John Woodberry. Those features will be less valuable if Japan wants to send the new helicopters to sea only occasionally and briefly.......
Leonardo’s offering would be the new AW249, which has been under development for the Italian Army since 2016. Full operational capability for the 7–8-metric-ton aircraft is due in 2025, implying entry into service around 2022 or 2023. That program timing looks about right for Japan. Leonardo is designing the AW249 so customers can adapt it for other operations, says the head of the company’s Japanese business, Andrew Hill. Japan’s expected shipboard operation will require some maritime features........
New Attack Helicopters For Japan Probably Will Go To Sea
Japan’s prospective requirement for its New Attack Helicopter is likely to include shipboard operation and entry into service no later than the mid-2020s. Six companies are preparing to bid with widely varied offerings when a formal requirement is issued: Airbus, Bell, Boeing, Kawasaki Heavy Industries (KHI), Leonardo and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI).
At this early stage, the defense ministry merely has sought information for a possible acquisition for 30-50 attack helicopters to replace 59 Bell AH-1S Cobras. They are survivors of 90 built by Fuji Heavy Industries, now Subaru, in 1979-2000. The prospective production figure, in-service date in the mid-2020s and need for operation at sea were in a request for information issued in May, industry sources say.
A key consideration for the ministry is the need to reinforce or recover conquered remote islands in the chain that stretches southwest toward China.
KHI wants to base an offering on the twin-engine OH-1 observation helicopter, industry sources say. KHI needs a new engine as the poor reliability of the current 660-kW (885-hp) MHI TS1-M-10 has caused the OH-1 to be grounded since August 2015, according to local media and industry sources. Honeywell tells the Nikkei newspaper it is working with KHI to improve the OH-1’s engine. This appears to be an elliptical way of saying the two companies will replace it, since MHI would be the company to cooperate with Honeywell on improving the TS1-M-10.......
MHI could propose the Sikorsky UH-60 in a heavy-armament derivative that the U.S. company is supplying to the United Arab Emirates. MHI displayed a model of the concept, with a long stub wing on each side of the upper fuselage. The UH-60 in this configuration can still carry soldiers. An MHI official at the show said this capability could be useful for securing ground.
The two U.S. contenders are each offering their current production attack helicopters: the Bell AH-1Z Viper, unrelated to the AH-1S except in name and appearance; and the Boeing AH-64 Apache.
Depending on how serious Japan is about shipboard operation, the Viper, designed for the U.S. Marine Corps, may have a strong advantage. The design resists corrosion and has radiation hardening to protect systems from powerful naval radars, notes Bell’s John Woodberry. Those features will be less valuable if Japan wants to send the new helicopters to sea only occasionally and briefly.......
Leonardo’s offering would be the new AW249, which has been under development for the Italian Army since 2016. Full operational capability for the 7–8-metric-ton aircraft is due in 2025, implying entry into service around 2022 or 2023. That program timing looks about right for Japan. Leonardo is designing the AW249 so customers can adapt it for other operations, says the head of the company’s Japanese business, Andrew Hill. Japan’s expected shipboard operation will require some maritime features........
Always remembering that she was designed as a helicopter-carrying submarine destroyer.
If that concept is to continue on through, such new helicopters should be described as having a search and destroy role, avoiding use of the politically inflammatory attack word.
If that concept is to continue on through, such new helicopters should be described as having a search and destroy role, avoiding use of the politically inflammatory attack word.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Defense Ministry OKs purchase of next-generation U.S. fighter jets?The Asahi Shimbun
Defense Ministry OKs purchase of next-generation U.S. fighter jets
The Defense Ministry on Aug. 16 formally approved the purchase of 42 F-35B stealth fighter jets from the United States at a cost of about 14 billion yen ($132 million) each.
The government indicated late last year that it intended to acquire the short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft, but no formal decision had been made until now about which model to purchase........
The Defense Ministry received a proposal from the U.S. government about the F-35B in June that confirmed the aircraft met all the specifications Japan is interested in. Budgetary amounts will be set aside for 18 of the jets through the end of fiscal 2023. As yet, there are no specific plans for the payment of the remaining 24 jets.
Defense Ministry officials said the STOVL aircraft would be able to land and depart from even short runways. Plans are in the works to refit two Maritime Self-Defense Force destroyers to allow the aircraft to be used on those ships.
Defense Ministry OKs purchase of next-generation U.S. fighter jets
The Defense Ministry on Aug. 16 formally approved the purchase of 42 F-35B stealth fighter jets from the United States at a cost of about 14 billion yen ($132 million) each.
The government indicated late last year that it intended to acquire the short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft, but no formal decision had been made until now about which model to purchase........
The Defense Ministry received a proposal from the U.S. government about the F-35B in June that confirmed the aircraft met all the specifications Japan is interested in. Budgetary amounts will be set aside for 18 of the jets through the end of fiscal 2023. As yet, there are no specific plans for the payment of the remaining 24 jets.
Defense Ministry officials said the STOVL aircraft would be able to land and depart from even short runways. Plans are in the works to refit two Maritime Self-Defense Force destroyers to allow the aircraft to be used on those ships.
The Japanese navy advances in small steps - you can see this here - buy 18 , try them out and then maybe buy another 24................
Interesting that they seemed to have backed away from final assembly. Although they will be heavily involved in upgrades and maintenance, Japan had always wanted to keep involved in production to keep a small base of talent going in country.
Imagine they have been following the US Marine B's at Okinawa with keen interest.
Imagine they have been following the US Marine B's at Okinawa with keen interest.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
U.S. fighter jets eyed as 1st users of retrofitted Izumo carrier?The Asahi Shimbun
U.S. fighter jets eyed as 1st users of retrofitted Izumo carrier
The government has been caught in a lie over its plans to retrofit the Izumo destroyer and effectively transform the vessel into an aircraft carrier.
Officials initially presented the project as simply one that would strengthen the nation's ability to defend outlying islands and secure the safety of Self-Defense Force pilots by reducing their flight times. When Defense Minister Takeshi Iwaya was asked by opposition lawmakers in March if U.S. fighter jets would be allowed to use the Izumo, he stated that only if the aircraft had no closer landing points while flying out at sea.
It now turns out that Japanese officials then informed their U.S. counterparts that U.S. fighter jets would likely be the first to use the Izumo for landings and take-offs.
Improvements to the Izumo deck and other measures to allow aircraft to land and take off from the ship will finish in fiscal 2020. Another MSDF destroyer, the Kaga, will also be retrofitted, with plans calling for completion in fiscal 2022. The government has also approved a plan to purchase U.S.-made F-35B fighter jets which have short take-off and vertical landing capabilities. The F-35B jets will be mainly used on the Izumo and Kaga, but the aircraft will not be deployed until after fiscal 2024. That leaves open the possibility of at least a three-year period when the Izumo would be capable of being used as an aircraft carrier, but with the Air SDF having no such aircraft in its arsenal.
According to several government sources, when Gen. Robert Neller, who was then commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps, visited Japan in March, Defense Ministry officials briefed him on the plans to retrofit the Izumo and said U.S. military F-35B jets would likely be the first to use the Izumo after it became a flattop. They asked for U.S. cooperation and advice in the operation of the F-35B jets. The U.S. jets would likely use the Izumo during joint training exercises with the SDF as well as when U.S. jets faced an emergency situation requiring immediate landing. The sources said that Neller promised to provide the necessary support........
U.S. fighter jets eyed as 1st users of retrofitted Izumo carrier
The government has been caught in a lie over its plans to retrofit the Izumo destroyer and effectively transform the vessel into an aircraft carrier.
Officials initially presented the project as simply one that would strengthen the nation's ability to defend outlying islands and secure the safety of Self-Defense Force pilots by reducing their flight times. When Defense Minister Takeshi Iwaya was asked by opposition lawmakers in March if U.S. fighter jets would be allowed to use the Izumo, he stated that only if the aircraft had no closer landing points while flying out at sea.
It now turns out that Japanese officials then informed their U.S. counterparts that U.S. fighter jets would likely be the first to use the Izumo for landings and take-offs.
Improvements to the Izumo deck and other measures to allow aircraft to land and take off from the ship will finish in fiscal 2020. Another MSDF destroyer, the Kaga, will also be retrofitted, with plans calling for completion in fiscal 2022. The government has also approved a plan to purchase U.S.-made F-35B fighter jets which have short take-off and vertical landing capabilities. The F-35B jets will be mainly used on the Izumo and Kaga, but the aircraft will not be deployed until after fiscal 2024. That leaves open the possibility of at least a three-year period when the Izumo would be capable of being used as an aircraft carrier, but with the Air SDF having no such aircraft in its arsenal.
According to several government sources, when Gen. Robert Neller, who was then commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps, visited Japan in March, Defense Ministry officials briefed him on the plans to retrofit the Izumo and said U.S. military F-35B jets would likely be the first to use the Izumo after it became a flattop. They asked for U.S. cooperation and advice in the operation of the F-35B jets. The U.S. jets would likely use the Izumo during joint training exercises with the SDF as well as when U.S. jets faced an emergency situation requiring immediate landing. The sources said that Neller promised to provide the necessary support........
Is this really news? Did ANYONE not think the USA would trial F-35B's on these " slightly converted, modestly upgraded cross-river ferries"
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Japan unveils plan to develop Mage Island into FCLP for CVW 5 and JSDF F-35Bs ? Alert 5
Japan unveils plan to develop Mage Island into FCLP for CVW 5 and JSDF F-35Bs
The Japanese government has unveiled its plan on how to develop Mage Island, off Kagoshima Prefecture, into a Field Carrier Landing Practice (FCLP) facility for Carrier Air Wing 5 (CVW 5) of the U.S. Navy and Japanese F-35Bs.
Tokyo will pay $151 million to the owner of the island and an environment impact assessment will be carried out this fall.
There will be two runways, a hangar, and a fuel facility at the base. The main runway is about 8,00 feet long, and the secondary is about 6,000 feet long. About 150 to 200 Self Defense Force personnel are to be stationed there. Construction will take 4 years.
The base will be resupplied by JGSDF MV-22s.
Currently, U.S. Navy pilots practise simulated aircraft carrier landings at the FCLP at Iwo Jima, which is 1,400km from their base in MCAS Iwakuni. The new FCLP at Mage will be cut the distance down to 400km.
Japan unveils plan to develop Mage Island into FCLP for CVW 5 and JSDF F-35Bs
The Japanese government has unveiled its plan on how to develop Mage Island, off Kagoshima Prefecture, into a Field Carrier Landing Practice (FCLP) facility for Carrier Air Wing 5 (CVW 5) of the U.S. Navy and Japanese F-35Bs.
Tokyo will pay $151 million to the owner of the island and an environment impact assessment will be carried out this fall.
There will be two runways, a hangar, and a fuel facility at the base. The main runway is about 8,00 feet long, and the secondary is about 6,000 feet long. About 150 to 200 Self Defense Force personnel are to be stationed there. Construction will take 4 years.
The base will be resupplied by JGSDF MV-22s.
Currently, U.S. Navy pilots practise simulated aircraft carrier landings at the FCLP at Iwo Jima, which is 1,400km from their base in MCAS Iwakuni. The new FCLP at Mage will be cut the distance down to 400km.