Senior RAF Officers Highlight Safety Dangers From Ground Crew Cuts
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That has nothing to do with it, end of a day it is a contract, you join the Military and in this day and age you accept you may end up in harms way, if you do not, simply do not sign up, you are contracted for a set time period, if you then choose to leave early, you need to do that on the terms laid out..
As for airline pilots not being in harms way.... How many none military flights are there? A lot.
Sorry Beagle that excuse does not cut it.. WW2 they would have had them down as low moral fibre and imprisoned... WW1 shot.
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As for airline pilots not being in harms way.... How many none military flights are there? A lot.
Sorry Beagle that excuse does not cut it.. WW2 they would have had them down as low moral fibre and imprisoned... WW1 shot.
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Nutloose, bit difficult to justify with the current major changes to TOS enforced on individuals.
AFPS15
NEM (including the opportunity to make you redundant with 12 months notice, up to the day before your IPP)
Raping of allowances
etc etc...
We don't operate a conscription force any more. People join for many reasons, but it is still supposed to be a 2 way deal. If we were fighting for our nations survival a la WW2 I would agree, but we absolutely are not.
AFPS15
NEM (including the opportunity to make you redundant with 12 months notice, up to the day before your IPP)
Raping of allowances
etc etc...
We don't operate a conscription force any more. People join for many reasons, but it is still supposed to be a 2 way deal. If we were fighting for our nations survival a la WW2 I would agree, but we absolutely are not.
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I agree, but this also works two ways, the contract you signed with pension rights, termination etc should be legally binding on BOTH parties.
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Looks like Gp Capt Mark Chappell is to takeover as Station Commander at Lossie in November when Typhoon ops move there ...
Going back on a few points mentioned a couple of posts back. Many, especially non military HR Dweebs, mistake Managers for Leaders ... WRONG
Whilst Management and Leadership aren't mutually exclusive ... there are fewer Leaders than Managers and even fewer Good Leaders (first) who are also Good Managers ... but there are simply shed loads of Mangers who think they are Leaders (and some delusional idiots who even describe themselves as World Class Leaders
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The problem is that it's comparatively easy to evaluate the effectiveness of a Manager by using objective measures ... such as "stay within this budget", "reduce flying hours by x%" etc etc. But it is more difficult to directly measure "Leadership" ... hence organisations tend to use management effectiveness as a surrogate for appointing what they believe to be "Leaders". This is further compounded by these people/organisations tending to recruit in their own likeness.
Some might have seen something like this before ... it still remains true today
From what I can see ... Gp Capt Gale seems to be both a good leader and manager ... let's hope he is given a good next appointment.
Going back on a few points mentioned a couple of posts back. Many, especially non military HR Dweebs, mistake Managers for Leaders ... WRONG
Whilst Management and Leadership aren't mutually exclusive ... there are fewer Leaders than Managers and even fewer Good Leaders (first) who are also Good Managers ... but there are simply shed loads of Mangers who think they are Leaders (and some delusional idiots who even describe themselves as World Class Leaders
)The problem is that it's comparatively easy to evaluate the effectiveness of a Manager by using objective measures ... such as "stay within this budget", "reduce flying hours by x%" etc etc. But it is more difficult to directly measure "Leadership" ... hence organisations tend to use management effectiveness as a surrogate for appointing what they believe to be "Leaders". This is further compounded by these people/organisations tending to recruit in their own likeness.
Some might have seen something like this before ... it still remains true today
The manager administers; the leader innovates.
The manager is a copy; the leader is an original.
The manager maintains; the leader develops.
The manager focuses on systems and structure; the leader focuses on people.
The manager relies on control; the leader inspires trust.
The manager has a short-range view; the leader has a long-range perspective.
The manager asks how and when; the leader asks what and why.
The manager has his or her eye always on the bottom line; the leader’s eye is on the horizon.
The manager imitates; the leader originates.
The manager accepts the status quo; the leader challenges it.
The manager is the classic good soldier; the leader is his or her own person.
The manager does things right; the leader does the right thing.
The manager is a copy; the leader is an original.
The manager maintains; the leader develops.
The manager focuses on systems and structure; the leader focuses on people.
The manager relies on control; the leader inspires trust.
The manager has a short-range view; the leader has a long-range perspective.
The manager asks how and when; the leader asks what and why.
The manager has his or her eye always on the bottom line; the leader’s eye is on the horizon.
The manager imitates; the leader originates.
The manager accepts the status quo; the leader challenges it.
The manager is the classic good soldier; the leader is his or her own person.
The manager does things right; the leader does the right thing.
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Having read the posts up to now, Biggus and Jobza Guddun, have pretty much summed it all up. I am one of those that PVR'd from Lossie, and yes went into the very attractive offshore industry afterwards, looking back I wished I did it years ago although I still look back with a sense of utter pride with what I was able to be apart of over those years in service, you have heard it all already no doubt, work hard, play hard, great detachments, a good life. I could however, no longer tolerate the utter (and i couldn't phase it better) piss poor leadership I was forced to endure during my last few years of service. My boss deciding to go on holiday in the middle of our first Tornado deployment to Aghanistan in 2009, (having banned everyone from taking leave) was the final blow for me. You want to stop people leaving? Stop treating them like another number to fill a gap with, a techie is a techie is a techie rings so true. Why manning seemed to thing I had the same responsibility as an egg cracker or the scribbler who was more interested in getting to B&Q on a Wednesday afternoon to get plants for the office than dealing with the JPA nightmare everyone was dumped with, is just incredulous. The reality of what skills have been lost is already biting, but the realisation is too late I fear.
a_t_g,
I'm sorry if you feel that my attempting to explain some of the peculiarities of the situation at Lossiemouth, including aspects beyond the control of the RAF - such as the close vicinity of Aberdeen and lure of offshore jobs - along with the drift towards management, as opposed to leadership, throughout ALL of the RAF, to be "gobbing off".
No doubt I'm demonstrating poor "followership". Just as well I'm retiring. Maybe you'll feel I'm entitled to write what I want when I'm a civillian - after all, you're supposed to be protecting my right to do so.
Perhaps if I'd written a personal blog about it, or an article for airclues, you would have considered it more acceptable!
I'm sorry if you feel that my attempting to explain some of the peculiarities of the situation at Lossiemouth, including aspects beyond the control of the RAF - such as the close vicinity of Aberdeen and lure of offshore jobs - along with the drift towards management, as opposed to leadership, throughout ALL of the RAF, to be "gobbing off".
No doubt I'm demonstrating poor "followership". Just as well I'm retiring. Maybe you'll feel I'm entitled to write what I want when I'm a civillian - after all, you're supposed to be protecting my right to do so.
Perhaps if I'd written a personal blog about it, or an article for airclues, you would have considered it more acceptable!
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Its not Just techies who have benefitted from the O&G industry along the A96 i know of many AEOps who now fly ROVs underwater. They are earning significantly more than their previous Squadron Commanders. Even Armorers have gone down this route !
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Originally Posted by Biggus
I'm sorry if you feel that my attempting to explain some of the peculiarities of the situation at Lossiemouth, including aspects beyond the control of the RAF - such as the close vicinity of Aberdeen and lure of offshore jobs
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If anything the situation has made Lossie the posting of choice for final tourists. The North East is a fantastic area, affordable property prices, job opportunities with good salaries and a nice spot to raise a family.
Outlaw Pete,
Fracking heck mate, last week we were being told the NE is a desolate and isolated place, ideal for oil and gas exploitation. Proffered by no less than a "noble lord". Now we are exposed to the NE as a land of marvellous opportunity and beauty. I know where my vote lands, it is not with the "knobbly Fraud"
Smudge
Fracking heck mate, last week we were being told the NE is a desolate and isolated place, ideal for oil and gas exploitation. Proffered by no less than a "noble lord". Now we are exposed to the NE as a land of marvellous opportunity and beauty. I know where my vote lands, it is not with the "knobbly Fraud"
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I agree with your description of the area in post #70 but I can't think of any last tourists recently posted in, most have been juniors to fill the gaps. The people Im guessing are last tourists have already been here or Kinloss for the past few years (once Q'd there's no escape?)
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I suppose it depends what you're looking for Smudge. I'd hardly call it desolate but it suits those who, like me enjoy outdoor life. On my first tour here I didn't think it was anything special and was quite happy when I was posted back down south. The second tour changed my outlook completely, plus I'd become tired of a 10 mile journey on the M6 taking an hour or more.
I think people are confusing comments made by a (English) politician about the NE of England (with respect to fracking, where such terms as "desolate" and "isolated" were used) and the NE of Scotland, which is neither desolate or isolated!
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Originally Posted by OultawPete
I suppose it depends what you're looking for Smudge. I'd hardly call it desolate but it suits those who, like me enjoy outdoor life. On my first tour here I didn't think it was anything special and was quite happy when I was posted back down south. The second tour changed my outlook completely, plus I'd become tired of a 10 mile journey on the M6 taking an hour or more.
Some couriers must think life does not exist past Hadrian's Wall and North Scotland is on the edge of the world.
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