Auf Wiedersehn, Phantom!
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A testament to the sturdiness of the aircraft and care given to it by the mechanics that allowed it to last so long.
The others didn't socialise.
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@NutLosse:
They will not be offered to museums, all 8 remaining aircraft are now at Jever airbase.
Starting tomorrow, they will be scapped. Only one or two of them will be used as gate guards, 37+01, the blue bird, will end up at Wittmund airbase.
This aircraft was the first that was delivered and one of the last to take off from Wittmund.
Tom
They will not be offered to museums, all 8 remaining aircraft are now at Jever airbase.
Starting tomorrow, they will be scapped. Only one or two of them will be used as gate guards, 37+01, the blue bird, will end up at Wittmund airbase.
This aircraft was the first that was delivered and one of the last to take off from Wittmund.
Tom
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It's wonder the US didn't take them back to be used as target drones
unless they have moved on from the Phantom already and don't
have any more conversion parts.
unless they have moved on from the Phantom already and don't
have any more conversion parts.
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Thanks for that, much appreciated.
I vaguely remembered in an article about the QF-4 Drones that because the F4's had sat in the bone yard for so long "additional" complications occurred like cracked fuel tanks etc and I thought fully F4's would make it easier but not
to be.
Thanks for that, much appreciated.
I vaguely remembered in an article about the QF-4 Drones that because the F4's had sat in the bone yard for so long "additional" complications occurred like cracked fuel tanks etc and I thought fully F4's would make it easier but not
to be.
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There were 10 F-4Es built for the Luftwaffe as well, they were kept in the States for training, and the survivors were retired and sent to the boneyard some time ago.
They used to send Phantoms and Alpha Jets from Goose Bay to airshows around North America. I remember talking to a German Phantom pilot at an airshow in the mid 80's, and he said that he hoped the Russians didn't invade that weekend, because the whole Goose Bay contingent was at airshows!
They used to send Phantoms and Alpha Jets from Goose Bay to airshows around North America. I remember talking to a German Phantom pilot at an airshow in the mid 80's, and he said that he hoped the Russians didn't invade that weekend, because the whole Goose Bay contingent was at airshows!
We build 'em to last here in St. Louis.
Still do, although the original works are out of service now. The last aircraft I saw on the ramp that over 10,000 jets rolled out on was the Solar Impulse. Quite a change from a fire-belching pair of J-79s.
TWB
Still do, although the original works are out of service now. The last aircraft I saw on the ramp that over 10,000 jets rolled out on was the Solar Impulse. Quite a change from a fire-belching pair of J-79s.
TWB
As an aside, and totally off topic, am I the only person who thinks that "warfighters" is a stupid word?
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But the UK MOD policy was not to declare any Treaty-Limited Eqpt under this section, which is why all the gate guardians were declared under CFE as TLE, irrespective of state, flyability/fireability.
I never understood the reasoning, perhaps there was an element of being 'holier then thou' about it? I am not even sure we produce an annual declaration for CFE any more, though I am guessing there is still one for the Vienna Document Treaty.
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I never understood the reasoning, perhaps there was an element of being 'holier then thou' about it? I am not even sure we produce an annual declaration for CFE any more, though I am guessing there is still one for the Vienna Document Treaty.
STH
STH,
The census used for the CFE declaration, Vienna Document, etc is still produced. Census taken 2nd week of October.
'Data Quality'
UKDS 2012 - Chapter 4 - Formations, Vessels, Aircraft and Vehicles of the Armed Forces
2012
Still 5 F-4s listed on CFE declared sites.
'Table 4.13 Aircraft Holdings in the UK, Germany, Cyprus and Gibraltar within the scope of the Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty, at 1 January each year'
UKDS 2012 - Chapter 4 - Formations, Vessels, Aircraft and Vehicles of the Armed Forces
'Table 4.15 Declared Attack Helicopters and Combat Aircraft Holdings and Ceilings by country within the scope of the Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty, at 1 January 2012'
UKDS 2012 - Chapter 4 - Formations, Vessels, Aircraft and Vehicles of the Armed Forces
'Chapter 4 - Formations, Vessels, Aircraft and Vehicles of the Armed Forces'
UKDS 2012 - Chapter 4 - Formations, Vessels, Aircraft and Vehicles of the Armed Forces
UKDS 2012
The census used for the CFE declaration, Vienna Document, etc is still produced. Census taken 2nd week of October.
'Data Quality'
UKDS 2012 - Chapter 4 - Formations, Vessels, Aircraft and Vehicles of the Armed Forces
The census, which is sponsored by the MOD Arms Control and Counter Proliferation Policy Department (ACP), is normally completed in the 2nd week of October each year. It directs all UK military Formations and Units to provide detailed information on their holdings of military hardware.
Still 5 F-4s listed on CFE declared sites.
F4 Phantom *2 (2.Obsolete non-operational equipment used as training aids, gate guardians and museum pieces on CFE declared sites.)
UKDS 2012 - Chapter 4 - Formations, Vessels, Aircraft and Vehicles of the Armed Forces
'Table 4.15 Declared Attack Helicopters and Combat Aircraft Holdings and Ceilings by country within the scope of the Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty, at 1 January 2012'
UKDS 2012 - Chapter 4 - Formations, Vessels, Aircraft and Vehicles of the Armed Forces
'Chapter 4 - Formations, Vessels, Aircraft and Vehicles of the Armed Forces'
UKDS 2012 - Chapter 4 - Formations, Vessels, Aircraft and Vehicles of the Armed Forces
UKDS 2012
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reference the tornado f3 posts, although the RAF may of made them out of service, i know first hand there are around 8 f3's still in serviceable condition! seems they have outlasted the F4 phantoms..........
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Warfighting is the military term describing the strategic maoeuvre activity of conventional warfare with few constraints between opposing formations of all arms. Examples are Yom Kippur, Op Granby, Op Corporate, blitzkrieg.
As opposed to lower intensity conflicts like Op Banner, Malayan emergency, Borneo confrontation, Afghanistan (though here the expression low intensity is somewhat misleading).
Yes, I do think "warfighters" is a silly word.
As opposed to lower intensity conflicts like Op Banner, Malayan emergency, Borneo confrontation, Afghanistan (though here the expression low intensity is somewhat misleading).
Yes, I do think "warfighters" is a silly word.
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Just out of curiosity I wonder how many flying hours the lead GAF Phantom had when it was retired. I seem to remember the RAF aircraft were around 5000 hours.
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Rhino Power wrote
Phantom FGR.2, serial XV474, was in private hands after retirement. It was owned by The Old Flying Machine Company and could still taxi. The rumour was that the OFMC was intending to fly her on the civilian register? XV474 was later taken over by the Imperial War Museum as a static display.
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Don't seem to remember that happening for UK F-4s... Unless of course you were a scrap merchant!
This unique piece of video shows Mark Hanna giving his sister Sarah "a ride" in the OFMC's Phantom, namely a fast taxi, along runway 24 at Duxford, watched by their father Ray.