Can anyone identify this Israeli weapon?
You have to say, that if that's what the Israeli forces recruit women for, then good luck to them. Today we've seen the Australians busy trying to do a cover up on sexist remarks. And here we are with the ladies, wanting to be equal in a mans world, doing pole dancing. I just wish these girls well in their future employment in strip clubs/ pole dancing emporia. They deserve a chance folks, obviously not up to military standard.
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One could say cast the first stone to those of us that haven't done something daft in our lives, amongst the honest ones of us there would be very few rocks cast, but then one wouldn't put it on the web for all to see.
Smudge: We haven't seen the ADF "trying to do a cover up on sexist remarks", we've seen the ADF dealing robustly with a horrible sexual abuse scandal, go and read the reports properly.
These Israeli girls were having a laugh in their barracks, just like young lads do. Cut out the embarrassing 70's sexist dinosaur approach eh? It was outdated ten years ago or more. Women in the forces ARE equal in 2013, they're not "wanting to be equal in a man's world".
These Israeli girls were having a laugh in their barracks, just like young lads do. Cut out the embarrassing 70's sexist dinosaur approach eh? It was outdated ten years ago or more. Women in the forces ARE equal in 2013, they're not "wanting to be equal in a man's world".
Laarbruch 72,
Well thanks for setting me right. Of course, it's 2013 and I'm 60 years old so I'm not entitled to an opinion, and obviously "modern thinking" overrides anything I have come to believe in my life. Believe me, I have no problem with women serving in the Armed Forces. I question the value to the forces of the sort of "page 3" type reporting we have seen. Likewise, there seems to be something, more than military, going on in Aussie at the moment. Whatever your opinion, I don't feel like a Dinosaur, I spent 30 years in the "mob" and I know that since my time lots of improvements have been made, and welcome that. I think, I have earned the right to have an opinion, as you are.
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Well thanks for setting me right. Of course, it's 2013 and I'm 60 years old so I'm not entitled to an opinion, and obviously "modern thinking" overrides anything I have come to believe in my life. Believe me, I have no problem with women serving in the Armed Forces. I question the value to the forces of the sort of "page 3" type reporting we have seen. Likewise, there seems to be something, more than military, going on in Aussie at the moment. Whatever your opinion, I don't feel like a Dinosaur, I spent 30 years in the "mob" and I know that since my time lots of improvements have been made, and welcome that. I think, I have earned the right to have an opinion, as you are.
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What you have "going on in Australia at the moment"
is a female PM who is very unpopular, plays the sexist
card as much as she can - because she is untouchable
on the subject but worst of all, she got there because
of a female quota system.
I have cut and pasted someone else's response.
"A reference I believe that she made to all males in one of her man hate speeches, men only on blue ties ruling the country to the exclusion of capable women.
What she of course fails to mention is that she got her position and retained her preselection based on a female quota system imposed by the Labor party on all factions. This system effectively reserves a certain proportion of seats not only for the particular faction but for females in that faction.
You have ask yourself does this system of preferencing females based on an agenda and not ability result in the best brains getting the job? In her particular case I'd have to say no. Also if you do it enough you may well end up having a gender balanced party, without the best brains running it. The same can really be said for any gerrymandered arrangement, but this seems to apply in spades with this mob.
So here you have it, a female PM in the job because in part she is preferenced in there as part of the Left wing female mandated quota, running the country. It has to be a recipe for political disaster for not just Labor but for all of us.
She unashamedly plays the sex card as a female all the time as a weapon because in the Labor Party in her faction her position is untouchable, not so in politics in general however. The ultimate merit race, ie an election will soon remove her preferenced position, question is will she also lose her seat ?"
What you have "going on in Australia at the moment"
is a female PM who is very unpopular, plays the sexist
card as much as she can - because she is untouchable
on the subject but worst of all, she got there because
of a female quota system.
I have cut and pasted someone else's response.
"A reference I believe that she made to all males in one of her man hate speeches, men only on blue ties ruling the country to the exclusion of capable women.
What she of course fails to mention is that she got her position and retained her preselection based on a female quota system imposed by the Labor party on all factions. This system effectively reserves a certain proportion of seats not only for the particular faction but for females in that faction.
You have ask yourself does this system of preferencing females based on an agenda and not ability result in the best brains getting the job? In her particular case I'd have to say no. Also if you do it enough you may well end up having a gender balanced party, without the best brains running it. The same can really be said for any gerrymandered arrangement, but this seems to apply in spades with this mob.
So here you have it, a female PM in the job because in part she is preferenced in there as part of the Left wing female mandated quota, running the country. It has to be a recipe for political disaster for not just Labor but for all of us.
She unashamedly plays the sex card as a female all the time as a weapon because in the Labor Party in her faction her position is untouchable, not so in politics in general however. The ultimate merit race, ie an election will soon remove her preferenced position, question is will she also lose her seat ?"
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"I question the value to the forces of the sort of "page 3" type
reporting we have seen."
Ironic you say that, just happened to look at The Sun today (online)
and guess what, an article on the sexiest soldiers in the world !!!
Even Michelle Goodman, the RAF pilot was in there.
So obviously some dinosaurs exist
"I question the value to the forces of the sort of "page 3" type
reporting we have seen."
Ironic you say that, just happened to look at The Sun today (online)
and guess what, an article on the sexiest soldiers in the world !!!
Even Michelle Goodman, the RAF pilot was in there.
So obviously some dinosaurs exist
500N,
Once again, I'm in total agreement. And, probably like many of my age, wonder at the logic of the arguments of the "women warriors". I joined the RAF in 1969 and for all my time in service have worked with, and respected my female colleagues, who have been ever present. What I find amusing is that in 2013, when women are an accepted part of every aspect of our services, they suddenly decide that "flaunting themselves" is the way to go. In my time I've gone through, Women's Royal Air Force to Women in the Royal Air Force. They have my respect and I believe fully deserve their top reputation. My point on the reports on the young Israeli ladies is that all that good that has been worked for over the years is thrown away when they allow themselves to be shown as sex objects rather than professional service people. I accept my thinking may be old fashioned, and I'm probably not explaining it too well. I do believe though that the respect women have gained over the past few years in the worlds military services may be usurped by such reporting. I doubt I'm the best judge on Page 3 stuff, I've never read the Sun in my life.
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Oh yes, Dinosaur, if I fit the bill I will take the sobriquet
Once again, I'm in total agreement. And, probably like many of my age, wonder at the logic of the arguments of the "women warriors". I joined the RAF in 1969 and for all my time in service have worked with, and respected my female colleagues, who have been ever present. What I find amusing is that in 2013, when women are an accepted part of every aspect of our services, they suddenly decide that "flaunting themselves" is the way to go. In my time I've gone through, Women's Royal Air Force to Women in the Royal Air Force. They have my respect and I believe fully deserve their top reputation. My point on the reports on the young Israeli ladies is that all that good that has been worked for over the years is thrown away when they allow themselves to be shown as sex objects rather than professional service people. I accept my thinking may be old fashioned, and I'm probably not explaining it too well. I do believe though that the respect women have gained over the past few years in the worlds military services may be usurped by such reporting. I doubt I'm the best judge on Page 3 stuff, I've never read the Sun in my life.
Smudge
Oh yes, Dinosaur, if I fit the bill I will take the sobriquet
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The point I'm making Smudge is that you're taking a frivolous youtube video of some girls having a laugh in the barracks and making it a commentary on womens' roles in the forces. I say again, young lads post these sort of silly videos just as often.
By the way you seem to change your tune with the weather. You commented in this thread that the ADF were covering up sexist remarks, and elsewhere tonight you applauded the CinC's video condemning that same sexism. Which side do you fall on exactly?
By the way you seem to change your tune with the weather. You commented in this thread that the ADF were covering up sexist remarks, and elsewhere tonight you applauded the CinC's video condemning that same sexism. Which side do you fall on exactly?
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Not sure what the UK was like but I am sure women on recruit courses,
training courses and whatever do just what the boys do, be it streaking
through the lines or round the barracks, mooning, getting pissed or
whatever.
Not sure what the UK was like but I am sure women on recruit courses,
training courses and whatever do just what the boys do, be it streaking
through the lines or round the barracks, mooning, getting pissed or
whatever.
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I remember at Halton in the Summer there was a young WRAF recruit who when we put on our overalls in the morning and got down to our hacking and bashing used to strip off her shirt etc down to a thin skimpy tight TShirt before putting on her overalls and you could of heard a pin drop in the place, 
it was suggested by some spoilsport that she might like to use one of the classrooms to change.... She didn't mind changing with the rest of us and neither did we
But they insisted
Another, ever such a nice lass had injured her leg during basics, Med Centre said strained something so she limped through passing out and onto engineering training, got out of bed one morning and leg finally failed, turned out it was fractured and she had been walking on it for weeks due to wrong diagnosis.
Great bunch I worked with through out my career
it was suggested by some spoilsport that she might like to use one of the classrooms to change.... She didn't mind changing with the rest of us and neither did we But they insisted
Another, ever such a nice lass had injured her leg during basics, Med Centre said strained something so she limped through passing out and onto engineering training, got out of bed one morning and leg finally failed, turned out it was fractured and she had been walking on it for weeks due to wrong diagnosis.
Great bunch I worked with through out my career
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What always made me laugh is a woman can prance around in a skimpy
bikini at the beach and a few might have a look.
Switch it to a tight T Short, Bra and Undies and all of a sudden
it has to be covered up or done elsewhere !
What always made me laugh is a woman can prance around in a skimpy
bikini at the beach and a few might have a look.
Switch it to a tight T Short, Bra and Undies and all of a sudden
it has to be covered up or done elsewhere !
Laarbruch 72,
I'm sorry if the comments I made on this are not very well put. My remarks re the CinC were generally meant to convey my admiration for the fact that such a senior officer made the statement he did. A nice example of taking the lead when it was needed. I see that General Wall seems to be following the example in the UK by speaking out on future cuts etc. The young ladies of course, can do exactly as they wish, if the Isreali forces have no problem then why should anyone else ? I personally though find it amusing that in this "modern age", when we see women all over the media telling us that they want to be taken seriously in their jobs. That they find it necessary to act as they did.
I suppose the best words I could take on board are, that the hole is deep enough and it's time to stop digging. I doubt that I can explain my thoughts any better to you, and that you will want to find more fault. Thanks again for your help in my further education.
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I'm sorry if the comments I made on this are not very well put. My remarks re the CinC were generally meant to convey my admiration for the fact that such a senior officer made the statement he did. A nice example of taking the lead when it was needed. I see that General Wall seems to be following the example in the UK by speaking out on future cuts etc. The young ladies of course, can do exactly as they wish, if the Isreali forces have no problem then why should anyone else ? I personally though find it amusing that in this "modern age", when we see women all over the media telling us that they want to be taken seriously in their jobs. That they find it necessary to act as they did.
I suppose the best words I could take on board are, that the hole is deep enough and it's time to stop digging. I doubt that I can explain my thoughts any better to you, and that you will want to find more fault. Thanks again for your help in my further education.
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Smudge wrote:
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In my time I've gone through, Women's Royal Air Force to Women in the Royal Air Force.
What? All of them? Hats off to you Smudge
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In my time I've gone through, Women's Royal Air Force to Women in the Royal Air Force.
What? All of them? Hats off to you Smudge
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