Mil Pilots honoured by GAPAN
Well, I'd love to be a fly on the wall if you ever came up before the Beak, HH:
"Prisoner in the dock, do you have anything to say?"
"Yeah, like your robes. Weird, bruv. Like very, very weird $hit. Innit"
"You shall be taken to the place from whence you came......
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When one is furred up in that heavyweight pussy pelt, I can assure you that it is extremely hot!
"Prisoner in the dock, do you have anything to say?"
"Yeah, like your robes. Weird, bruv. Like very, very weird $hit. Innit"
"You shall be taken to the place from whence you came......
"When one is furred up in that heavyweight pussy pelt, I can assure you that it is extremely hot!
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Those depicted are nothing to do with the Fishmongers Guild SFAIK. They are Thames Watermen who race for a trophy called "The Doggett's Coat and Badge" and they are wearing the riverman's livery
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No. That is not what I said, nor is it the reason.
By long established tradition, all livery companies, from the most ancient to the newest, have robes.
If we were the sole exception, that would be "weird, very, very weird."
FL
But ROBES? Just so you can ape the Fishmongers etc............ weird, very , very weird
By long established tradition, all livery companies, from the most ancient to the newest, have robes.
If we were the sole exception, that would be "weird, very, very weird."
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In our experience, individuals and bodies we seek to influence are more interested in what we say rather than what we wear on ceremonial occasions.
Our most recent published position paper: UK AIRPORT POLICY May 2013
Our most recent published position paper: UK AIRPORT POLICY May 2013
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Even the Management Consultants (formed 1999?) have Livery. (and there are three more junior to them)
Forward looking?? Would DJs be forward looking? Mess Kit??
Should the Master do his day job in jeans and a Tee-shirt?
Don't judge a book by its cover Heathrow Harry
Teeters (Liveryman!)
it might show that you were forward looking
Should the Master do his day job in jeans and a Tee-shirt?
Don't judge a book by its cover Heathrow Harry
Teeters (Liveryman!)
By long established tradition, all livery companies, from the most ancient to the newest, have robes.
If we were the sole exception, that would be "weird, very, very weird." - FL
In our experience, individuals and bodies we seek to influence are more interested in what we say rather than what we wear on ceremonial occasions. - FL
FL - Very well said on both counts!
Bit like personalised number plates - HH
HH - I somehow can't help feeling that you're starting to sound very evenly balanced .... shoulderwise
Jack
If we were the sole exception, that would be "weird, very, very weird." - FL
In our experience, individuals and bodies we seek to influence are more interested in what we say rather than what we wear on ceremonial occasions. - FL
FL - Very well said on both counts!
Bit like personalised number plates - HH
HH - I somehow can't help feeling that you're starting to sound very evenly balanced .... shoulderwise
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Mess Dress and uniform are at least part of the 20th Century
Sorry gentlemen - I was never into fancy dress myself - just seems strange to me to ape all these ancient societies.
you KNOW they are quietly laughing up the sleeves of their 300 year old robes at a bunch of Johnny-come-lately's - I mean 1929!!!!
but you're not doing any harm and it keeps you off the streets and giving some of us a chance to smile
Sorry gentlemen - I was never into fancy dress myself - just seems strange to me to ape all these ancient societies.
you KNOW they are quietly laughing up the sleeves of their 300 year old robes at a bunch of Johnny-come-lately's - I mean 1929!!!!
but you're not doing any harm and it keeps you off the streets and giving some of us a chance to smile
Mess Dress and uniform are at least part of the 20th Century
1929
Methinks you do not understand the Guilds and the Honourable Companies, but then again, why am I not surprised.
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And here we are in the 21st Century with all those peculiar uniforms being worn day in and day out by the very people that you try to denigrate with your trolling. 
At least others can rest assured that we will carry on advancing aviation around the world, where authorities recognise the valued input of the Guild
(yet another Liveryman privileged to be allowed to wear the robes)
Sorry gentlemen - I was never into fancy dress myself - just seems strange to me to ape all these ancient societies.
you KNOW they are quietly laughing up the sleeves of their 300 year old robes at a bunch of Johnny-come-lately's - I mean 1929!!!!
but you're not doing any harm and it keeps you off the streets and giving some of us a chance to smile
you KNOW they are quietly laughing up the sleeves of their 300 year old robes at a bunch of Johnny-come-lately's - I mean 1929!!!!
but you're not doing any harm and it keeps you off the streets and giving some of us a chance to smile
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not trolling - asking a reasonable question -
just surprised and amazed at how upset some people are getting
for the avoidance of doubt I'm not against traditional wear (eg Warders at the Tower, Chelsea pensioners, Fishmongers etc etc) from the period when your organisation was formed - it is a valued part of our very rich cultural heritage
But to adopt wear from several hundred years before you were founded???
My Aunt remembers 1929 for heavens sake - hardly yesterday but certainly not the 17th Century
just surprised and amazed at how upset some people are getting
for the avoidance of doubt I'm not against traditional wear (eg Warders at the Tower, Chelsea pensioners, Fishmongers etc etc) from the period when your organisation was formed - it is a valued part of our very rich cultural heritage
But to adopt wear from several hundred years before you were founded???
My Aunt remembers 1929 for heavens sake - hardly yesterday but certainly not the 17th Century
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Never mind the dress, I think the title of the Guild belongs to an earlier era as well.
There are no navigators in civil aviation, nor any in non-RAF services. Even in the RAF they are 'withering on the vine'.
So, is it to be the Guild of Air Pilots and WSOs, or just Guild of Air Pilots?
There are no navigators in civil aviation, nor any in non-RAF services. Even in the RAF they are 'withering on the vine'.
So, is it to be the Guild of Air Pilots and WSOs, or just Guild of Air Pilots?
Never mind the dress, I think the title of the Guild belongs to an earlier era as well.
There are no navigators in civil aviation, nor any in non-RAF services. Even in the RAF they are 'withering on the vine'.
So, is it to be the Guild of Air Pilots and WSOs, or just Guild of Air Pilots?
There are no navigators in civil aviation, nor any in non-RAF services. Even in the RAF they are 'withering on the vine'.
So, is it to be the Guild of Air Pilots and WSOs, or just Guild of Air Pilots?
Maybe the "Guild of Air Pilots, Former Navigators and Drone Operators". I am not a member of the Guild, but IMHO there has been a raft of absolute drivel about not having robes, name changes - what is important is the work, professional and charitable, done by the Guild - long may it continue, and for my money (which is not involved) keep the robes
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Someone once defined a "Guild" as a cartel of workers who were too snobby to join a union..........
However I am sure there is a place for GAPAN or whatever it wants to change it's name too - even I understand that it's not (just) an excuse for large dinners
Someone has to represent the workers & toilers in any industry - otherwise we'd be run by totally uninformed politicians, civil servants and people like the Blessed O'Leary
However I am sure there is a place for GAPAN or whatever it wants to change it's name too - even I understand that it's not (just) an excuse for large dinners
Someone has to represent the workers & toilers in any industry - otherwise we'd be run by totally uninformed politicians, civil servants and people like the Blessed O'Leary
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That I know and believe they do a great job
My question was to do with the robes - that's all!!!
"(GAPAN) is concerned with every technical aspect of flying from safety to navigational aids, from airport facilities to training methods and in particular with new developments in aircraft and their handling."
That is precisely why they don't need to dress up like Harry Potter IMHO
Anyway those who like robes & swords are never going to see the light and I wouldn't want to spoil their fun so let's leave it where it is ...............
My question was to do with the robes - that's all!!!
"(GAPAN) is concerned with every technical aspect of flying from safety to navigational aids, from airport facilities to training methods and in particular with new developments in aircraft and their handling."
That is precisely why they don't need to dress up like Harry Potter IMHO
Anyway those who like robes & swords are never going to see the light and I wouldn't want to spoil their fun so let's leave it where it is ...............