Dominies Finningley-Gibraltar
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Back in 1976 I was a civvie with the cadets and did a nav course at Finningley.
During the week there was a series of astro fix flights and they allowed us to go along. I ended up on XS729 (G) and recall at the end we did a practice emergency descent back into Finningley. Great way to end a three hour flight. Was that normal for that flight or was I lucky to get that?
Do remember at briefing we were told to keep to the timings otherwise it meant the poor studes at the back would need to recalculate all their start shoot figures from the beginning.
During the week there was a series of astro fix flights and they allowed us to go along. I ended up on XS729 (G) and recall at the end we did a practice emergency descent back into Finningley. Great way to end a three hour flight. Was that normal for that flight or was I lucky to get that?
Do remember at briefing we were told to keep to the timings otherwise it meant the poor studes at the back would need to recalculate all their start shoot figures from the beginning.
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Looking through one of my log books and saw that I only went to Gib once and that was on the Staff Nav course. 13 Jun 1980 airways to Nice, night stop, very civilised. Next day, Low drift gyro into Gib using sun shots for MPP fixes! not civilised at all, compasses set 90 deg off etc; very confusing for an ex V-Force Nav Rad. Still Gib was great.
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PS. Just noticed an entry in book 1 where I forgot to put the ac number in; anyone got the number for "J"?
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PS. Just noticed an entry in book 1 where I forgot to put the ac number in; anyone got the number for "J"?
Never went to Gib, Malta twice and Laarbruch once. Did Istres Finningley in 1h.40 at FL200 in XS727 (May 71) Took off 3 in the stream and landed first. Flew at MMO all the way about 0.75 I seem to recall. There was a Wg Cdr at Strad who barrel rolled one in 68!
And here is 731 now!
And here is 731 now!
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I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
During the week there was a series of astro fix flights and they allowed us to go along. I ended up on XS729 (G) and recall at the end we did a practice emergency descent back into Finningley. Great way to end a three hour flight. Was that normal for that flight or was I lucky to get that?
I am not sure, but if you hade been on an astro flight that suggests an ANTS sortie rather than BNTS if that was the division in 1976. Certainly by 1987 BNTS did not do astro.
So to answer your question, a practice emergency descent would have been normal for that sortie profile and not all sorties.
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Or was it just a Pole Hill recovery?
Quite often we would do high speed descents at the end of a night astro sortie purely to relieve the sheer bloody boredom of the previous 2-3 hrs.
Oh, and possibly because our feet were frozen up front.
Quite often we would do high speed descents at the end of a night astro sortie purely to relieve the sheer bloody boredom of the previous 2-3 hrs.
Oh, and possibly because our feet were frozen up front.
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friendlypelican 2 - Like you my first overseas trip as a stude was Malta via Nice Jan 67 but I took the slower route in a Varsity. Yes there was snow when we left and even more on return ending in a grade one diversion to Leeming.
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QUOTE: There was a Wg Cdr at Strad who barrel rolled one in 68!
Yes yes, I heard that story, and that he got the bum's rush when the studes spragged on him? But my recollection is that it was later, more like early 70s?
Yes yes, I heard that story, and that he got the bum's rush when the studes spragged on him? But my recollection is that it was later, more like early 70s?
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Donny Market?
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Doncaster Market.
The original den of thieves (before Ebay).
My one and only role in a Courts Martial involved Doncaster Market, a PTI from Finningley, some canoes and an inventory set of letters that he forgot to rub off.
Talk about sh*tting on your own doorstep!
Doncaster Market.
The original den of thieves (before Ebay).
My one and only role in a Courts Martial involved Doncaster Market, a PTI from Finningley, some canoes and an inventory set of letters that he forgot to rub off.
Talk about sh*tting on your own doorstep!
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Am I right in remembering a Dom declaring a Mayday into Nice (ex Luqa) with the Captain, very seriously ill, leaving the the Pilots Assistant (a MAeOp) to do the subsequent approach and landing?
Am I right in remembering a Dom declaring a Mayday into Nice (ex Luqa) with the Captain, very seriously ill, leaving the the Pilots Assistant (a MAeOp) to do the subsequent approach and landing?
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Finningley - Gib
I did many, many overseas trips in the Dom, many to Germany for memorable LLTS weekend landaways. It was always a much quieter jet on the Monday RTB, full of BX beer, bikes and barbeques. Never went to Gib with them tho.
Did a Finningley - Istres- Gib for a Gib airshow as one of a pair of Hawks - we were over Biggin Hill when French ATC relayed to ask what was our max cruising level? When we said we could do FL 470, London ATC cleared us up and direct Istres... lovely aeroplane!
Did a Finningley - Istres- Gib for a Gib airshow as one of a pair of Hawks - we were over Biggin Hill when French ATC relayed to ask what was our max cruising level? When we said we could do FL 470, London ATC cleared us up and direct Istres... lovely aeroplane!
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Thanks PN,
Seem to recall the reason for the descent like that was to go over an airway that routed off the NEW VOR.
I can only guess that perhaps the studes still needed the height for a final astro fix somewhere near the airway so they did the descent after clearing the southern boundary and saved a lot of fafing about that a normal approach would need.
Trouble is my memory failes me and I didnt put the reason into my pax log book.
Did enjoy it though and certainly made the ears pop. Now I mention that I now recall we all had an ear inspection to make sure they did clear so it was planned. One guy failed that and didnt fly. He was a little miffed to say the least.
Seem to recall the reason for the descent like that was to go over an airway that routed off the NEW VOR.
I can only guess that perhaps the studes still needed the height for a final astro fix somewhere near the airway so they did the descent after clearing the southern boundary and saved a lot of fafing about that a normal approach would need.
Trouble is my memory failes me and I didnt put the reason into my pax log book.
Did enjoy it though and certainly made the ears pop. Now I mention that I now recall we all had an ear inspection to make sure they did clear so it was planned. One guy failed that and didnt fly. He was a little miffed to say the least.
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Can't remember the exact routing but almost certain we went down the the West Country first worked our way up north before coming back southwards again.
I was just getting interested in comms and we worked quite a few ICF's even at that time of night (1955-2255Z in March). I was also seating by a HF set and so got given the task of monitoring the HF volmet (seat by the left door iirc)
Can't remember the exact routing but almost certain we went down the the West Country first worked our way up north before coming back southwards again.
I was just getting interested in comms and we worked quite a few ICF's even at that time of night (1955-2255Z in March). I was also seating by a HF set and so got given the task of monitoring the HF volmet (seat by the left door iirc)
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The lizard defence...
Had heard of a Dominie, but didn't know a lot about it so I googled and found this snippet:
On 7 August 1988, a BAe-125 owned by the Botswana Government was carrying the President of Botswana, Quett Masire, and his staff to a meeting in Luanda. An Angolan MiG-23 pilot fired two R-60 (AA-8) missiles at the plane. One missile hit the no. 2 engine, causing it to fall off the aircraft. The second missile then hit the falling engine. The crew was able to make a successful emergency landing on a bush strip at Cutio Bie.[14][citation needed]
Try doing that in your average FJ!
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On 7 August 1988, a BAe-125 owned by the Botswana Government was carrying the President of Botswana, Quett Masire, and his staff to a meeting in Luanda. An Angolan MiG-23 pilot fired two R-60 (AA-8) missiles at the plane. One missile hit the no. 2 engine, causing it to fall off the aircraft. The second missile then hit the falling engine. The crew was able to make a successful emergency landing on a bush strip at Cutio Bie.[14][citation needed]
Try doing that in your average FJ!
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27/09/91 XS731 to Gibraltar for the air display. Supposed to be a static but a few displays pulled out at last minute so could we oblige? A few laps around the rock, fly past with landing lights on, fly past clean, fly past dirty was about all we could manage I think. RAF Falcons were in fine form and we 'promoted' an NCO in their number (lent him my F/L rank braid) so he could come back to the OM for post display festivities. A great night was subsequently had by all and to this day, when I think of Gib I start humming 'The Boxer' by Simon and Garfunkel - you had to be there! Happy days
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Greetings,
I worked in Gib for three years on the Station Flight seeing all these Peeps in & out in the Doms, Jetstreams, Buccs, Harrier, Jags, Tonkas & Nimrods too.
I always found it amazing the places (& quantity!) of golf clubs, luggage and duty Free's that could be stashed around these aircraft.
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I worked in Gib for three years on the Station Flight seeing all these Peeps in & out in the Doms, Jetstreams, Buccs, Harrier, Jags, Tonkas & Nimrods too.
I always found it amazing the places (& quantity!) of golf clubs, luggage and duty Free's that could be stashed around these aircraft.
Reagards
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I have just stumbled on the allied thread:
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...r-stories.html
and intrigued to find the barrel-rolling Wing Commander again featured, much as I had heard.
Re. the left glove labelled right [and v-v] I had a colleague who reached high office as a Metman despite being colour-blind. Not good when trying to draw red warm fronts, blue cold'uns, and purple occlusions.
So he always inscribed his officially provided crayons RED, BLUE PURPLE etc. This worked well until someone got at the crayons while he was having a pee.
Did not go down well in Central Forecasting Office.
Incidentally we always reckoned that the official crayons had been free-fall dropped at Arnhem, so broken were they internally. That para. who gets killed in A Bridge Too Far retrieving a canister of red berets was right next to the one with the crayons.
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...r-stories.html
and intrigued to find the barrel-rolling Wing Commander again featured, much as I had heard.
Re. the left glove labelled right [and v-v] I had a colleague who reached high office as a Metman despite being colour-blind. Not good when trying to draw red warm fronts, blue cold'uns, and purple occlusions.
So he always inscribed his officially provided crayons RED, BLUE PURPLE etc. This worked well until someone got at the crayons while he was having a pee.
Did not go down well in Central Forecasting Office.
Incidentally we always reckoned that the official crayons had been free-fall dropped at Arnhem, so broken were they internally. That para. who gets killed in A Bridge Too Far retrieving a canister of red berets was right next to the one with the crayons.
