LIMA 13
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: oxford
Posts: 469
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Livingston, Scotland
Posts: 148
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Photographs:
2 Typhoons from 1(Fighter) Squadron trail accompanied by an Italian KC-767 tanker aircraft from 8 Squadron, Italian Air Force.
2 Typhoons from 1(Fighter) Squadron trail accompanied by an Italian KC-767 tanker aircraft from 8 Squadron, Italian Air Force.
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: The Sunny Side
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Number 1(Fighter) Squadron successfully complete Typhoon trail to Malaysia
How embarrassing!
S-D
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 868
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Why? NATO co-operation is there for a reason!!
Throughout, 1(F) Sqn were not only supported by an Italian Air Force KC-767 tanker, but also made use of the RAF’s new Voyager transport capability to deploy the main party.
Last edited by TheWizard; 25th Mar 2013 at 22:33.
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: oxford
Posts: 469
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
As S-D said; we use them (foreign tankers) because we don't have the capacity to support our FJ AAR requirements. It's very expensive too Wizard - especially the use of USAF tankers. The European Agreement is;
https://www.mcce-mil.com/Pages/default.aspx
https://www.mcce-mil.com/Pages/default.aspx
How humiliating that the RAF no longer has adequate capacity to support its own FJ AAR requirements....
Is Voyager anywhere close to getting AAR clearance for routine RAF AAR with Tornado or Typhoon yet?
Is Voyager anywhere close to getting AAR clearance for routine RAF AAR with Tornado or Typhoon yet?
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 868
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sorry, but the days of us 'going it alone' died shortly after 1982.
Unfortunately there is no room for nostalgia as we are where we are (not getting into why or how).
I am sure the French were not embarrassed to have to rely on the Royal Air Force to transport it's large vehicles into Mali earlier this year ie co-operation.
At least a Voyager was used to move the personnel for this exercise. Pretty sure it wouldn't get authorisation to do combined pax and AAR trips for that distance. (Happy to be corrected)
Unfortunately there is no room for nostalgia as we are where we are (not getting into why or how).
I am sure the French were not embarrassed to have to rely on the Royal Air Force to transport it's large vehicles into Mali earlier this year ie co-operation.
At least a Voyager was used to move the personnel for this exercise. Pretty sure it wouldn't get authorisation to do combined pax and AAR trips for that distance. (Happy to be corrected)
Pretty sure it wouldn't get authorisation to do combined pax and AAR trips for that distance. (Happy to be corrected)
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Sydney
Age: 45
Posts: 243
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
How different are the RAF A330s from the Australian tankers (besides the lack of a boom)? The RAAF's aircraft have only just reached IOC with the baskets for AAR and i'm pretty sure they are fully operational as a passenger and cargo aircraft.
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Building 12
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Voyager
Beags...
Any minute now... but 'we' were told that a couple of weeks ago
DAT...
The aircraft are almost identical. The AAR Pods are the same apart from some software differences, and the Drogues - 'Baskets' - are different. I understand the RAAF are generally quite happy with availability and reliability of their system.
Is Voyager anywhere close to getting AAR clearance for routine RAF AAR with Tornado or Typhoon yet?
DAT...
How different are the RAF A330s from the Australian tankers (besides the lack of a boom)? The RAAF's aircraft have only just reached IOC with the baskets for AAR and i'm pretty sure they are fully operational as a passenger and cargo aircraft.
Last edited by Whisky_Ffox; 26th Mar 2013 at 10:34.
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 868
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
For an MRTT to be of any use, it must be able to fly in both roles at the same time.
As did the VC10C1K and to some extent, the VC10K. Receiver squadron support personnel were frequently carried on AAR trails.
If you have an accurate mission planning system you can calculate the fuel required to support an AAR trail, based on the highest assumed ZFW and statistical meteorological conditions, together with prudent fuel reserves. Provided that it doesn't impinge upon performance limits or MTOW, the resulting available payload may then be released for cargo / passenger purposes.
I'm reliably informed that they most certainly are NOT!
As did the VC10C1K and to some extent, the VC10K. Receiver squadron support personnel were frequently carried on AAR trails.
If you have an accurate mission planning system you can calculate the fuel required to support an AAR trail, based on the highest assumed ZFW and statistical meteorological conditions, together with prudent fuel reserves. Provided that it doesn't impinge upon performance limits or MTOW, the resulting available payload may then be released for cargo / passenger purposes.
I understand the RAAF are generally quite happy with availability and reliability of their system.
The use of the Italian KC-767 will be a good work out for them after the recent clearance trial.
Aerial Refuelling Clearance for Italian KC-767
The European Defence Agency (EDA) will in the next months organise a European-wide collective air-to-air refuelling (AAR) clearance trial for Italy’s Boeing KC-767 military aerial refuelling and strategic tanker aircraft. The trial is part of EDA’s efforts to address Europe’s AAR capability shortfall.
Beagle old chap,
I think you'll find that one of the sqns at Brize has been doing trails while carrying a considerable tonnage of support personel and equipment for quite some time. I must have had a very accurate fag packet back in the day.
I think you'll find that one of the sqns at Brize has been doing trails while carrying a considerable tonnage of support personel and equipment for quite some time. I must have had a very accurate fag packet back in the day.
What a complete waste of time, money and flying hours!
When will we learn that we are no longer a global power and should concentrate our meagre forces in the defence of the UK!
When will we learn that we are no longer a global power and should concentrate our meagre forces in the defence of the UK!