Need for European 6th Generation Combat Aircraft 2025
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Need for European 6th Generation Combat Aircraft 2025
In my opinion the JSF project sofar and the development of 5th generation stealth platforms in Russia, India, Japan, Korea, China makes clear Europe has become dependent, a partner, lacking behind.
A result of the enormous cost cutting in the European nations during the last 20 years (end cold war), cash draining Eurofighter and a blind reliance on the JSF program and how the US thinks about it.
There is a significant industry in Europe (BAE, EADS, Saab, Dassault) and stealth technology has been developed for the different UAV programs.
I think a commitment for a 6th Generation must be made to prevent us becoming overly dependent on foreign technology and being outclassed in this area.
Or should we just sit back & see?
A result of the enormous cost cutting in the European nations during the last 20 years (end cold war), cash draining Eurofighter and a blind reliance on the JSF program and how the US thinks about it.
There is a significant industry in Europe (BAE, EADS, Saab, Dassault) and stealth technology has been developed for the different UAV programs.
I think a commitment for a 6th Generation must be made to prevent us becoming overly dependent on foreign technology and being outclassed in this area.
Or should we just sit back & see?
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If you're serious about a new ?th generation aircraft in service by 2025, then work should have started on the project at least 5, may 13, years ago.......
More like 2035!!!
More like 2035!!!
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You can't afford it, at the rate the Euro Governments are reducing defense budgets.
Sorry, but what makes airplanes fly is money.
You can't afford it, at the rate the Euro Governments are reducing defense budgets.
Sorry, but what makes airplanes fly is money.
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During last decade europe developped the Eurofighter, Rafale, Gripen, A400M, MRTT.
Should it all stop because we have no money?
Deep down I feel we are still one of the richest regions in the world with an 100 yr fighter innovation history and there will be demand.
The Brits went quiet after the BAE Replica/ JSF
I can see the french going on their own, if everyone sits on their hands..
Should it all stop because we have no money?
Deep down I feel we are still one of the richest regions in the world with an 100 yr fighter innovation history and there will be demand.
The Brits went quiet after the BAE Replica/ JSF
I can see the french going on their own, if everyone sits on their hands..
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The Typhoon was developed in the last 10 years?
On Eurofighter multi Billion political/industrial pushed Tranche3 is all we seem to be able to come up with..
The Typhoon was developed in the last 10 years?
What about the twenty years of development before that?
What about the twenty years of development before that?
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could we maybe agree on 1 thing?
First thing that should have to be agreed upon is that we have to stop
using this whole x-th generation nomenclatura.
No point in using a marketing tool made up by one supplier to be able to separate themselves and their products and thereby creating the idea that somehow they have something unique to offer that nobody else has, a must have toy.
First thing that will happen if we don't is that they will claim to have skipped the 6th generation and went with a seventh generation instead ,probably claiming it has a timetravel device, which later on will prove to be nothing more than a hypercomlex clock that skips every 5th hour because it is so complex and expensive that they cannot get the software running correctly to make it do what it is supposed to do in the first place.
First thing that should have to be agreed upon is that we have to stop
using this whole x-th generation nomenclatura.
No point in using a marketing tool made up by one supplier to be able to separate themselves and their products and thereby creating the idea that somehow they have something unique to offer that nobody else has, a must have toy.
First thing that will happen if we don't is that they will claim to have skipped the 6th generation and went with a seventh generation instead ,probably claiming it has a timetravel device, which later on will prove to be nothing more than a hypercomlex clock that skips every 5th hour because it is so complex and expensive that they cannot get the software running correctly to make it do what it is supposed to do in the first place.
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I remember a briefing by British WasteofSpace in 1984 where the Typhoon (obviously it wasn't called that then) was being discussed. So it had been in gestation for some considerable time before that.
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I remember seeing an Eurofighter like aircraft when I was kid on le Bourget in the early eighties..
I guess 6th generation means significant better then the now 5th gen aircraft. Wasn't the 5th gen F22 around 20 yrs ago.. but kbrockman is right we should talk about capabilities.
Re "we" What option do WE have for an affordable stealth fighter these days. So w'll shop in the US again. Difficult choice if you have no options. Avoiding the risk poms "improving" perfectly ok platforms into multi billion disasters is avoided too
I guess 6th generation means significant better then the now 5th gen aircraft. Wasn't the 5th gen F22 around 20 yrs ago.. but kbrockman is right we should talk about capabilities.
I don't recall the cloggies being involved in Eurofighter, either as a developer or a buyer.
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I remember a briefing by British WasteofSpace in 1984 where the Typhoon (obviously it wasn't called that then) was being discussed. So it had been in gestation for some considerable time before that.
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"Should it all stop because we have no money? "
In my humble experience that's EXACTLY when most things stop..............
In my humble experience that's EXACTLY when most things stop..............
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First define what it is you are intending to defend - nation states are almost a thing of the past - if you have a true nation state with its own economy, you can build what you like - to rebuild a nation state does not require fast jets, just the will and blood and guts.
To you knights of the air I ask, what use have fast jets been in defending England in the last few decades? Take a look around, think about it.
To you knights of the air I ask, what use have fast jets been in defending England in the last few decades? Take a look around, think about it.