Airbus A400M as a maritime aircraft ?
Ah, that makes sense. The civvies operating the A330's don't want an in house competitor, so there was possibly something contractual about that - which is the sort of thing that would be commendable in a business sense. Unfortunately for you chaps in the RAF, best business practice is not what's best for defence...
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While I realize that this is something of a "what if" thread, can anyone contributing to it kindly acknowledge that, in the light of:
Armed Forces and police to face further spending cuts, Danny Alexander warns - Telegraph
the UK is highly unlikely to get back into the MPA game before 2023, and quite possibly never.
Time to bring back the seedcorn? Quietly of course, without mentioning it in parliament....
Armed Forces and police to face further spending cuts, Danny Alexander warns - Telegraph
the UK is highly unlikely to get back into the MPA game before 2023, and quite possibly never.
Time to bring back the seedcorn? Quietly of course, without mentioning it in parliament....
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If the finance fairy ever smiles again and the UK can get back into the LRMPA then as much as the P-8 and the Kwak P-1 might offer... maybe a Sea Herk would be the best choice for overall fleet commonality if, as LM suggest, the mission kit can be ported across and some 'things that go bang' can be hung off them.
And I know that this is fantasy land, but also buying the USMC Harvest Hawk kit would also give the RAF and therefore the UK a great capability from the Herk folk.
A400M seems even more fanciful than my suggestions.
And I know that this is fantasy land, but also buying the USMC Harvest Hawk kit would also give the RAF and therefore the UK a great capability from the Herk folk.
A400M seems even more fanciful than my suggestions.
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Which rules out us AARing any of our helicopters that are equipped for it.....
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For Keesje
Keesje will like this almost definitive article:-
Future UK Maritime Patrol ? Think Defence Think Defence
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I can't help but think that if the RAF was offered AMX or Super-Tucano as a replacement fighter there would be an uproar; however, a coastal recce asset as a replacement MPA appears to be a viable alternative.
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Sandy Parts comment about the beancounters at the treasury saying 'too much'. Hits the nail on the head.
One would think that the gear developed for the Nimrod, just has to be looking for a new platform? Too much, or, too logical ?
I am led to believe, that Russian submarines are taking advantage of the situation.
Yuri Dolgarukii was the founder of Moscow.
Notice the propeller gear is covered.
Silent killer: Nuclear submarine Vladimir Monomakh is latest in new fleet of Russian missile-carriers to have started sea trials nearly seven years after building began | Mail Online
One would think that the gear developed for the Nimrod, just has to be looking for a new platform? Too much, or, too logical ?
I am led to believe, that Russian submarines are taking advantage of the situation.
Yuri Dolgarukii was the founder of Moscow.
Notice the propeller gear is covered.
Silent killer: Nuclear submarine Vladimir Monomakh is latest in new fleet of Russian missile-carriers to have started sea trials nearly seven years after building began | Mail Online
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The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming:-
HMS York scrambled to Scotland in Russian fleet security scare | Mail Online
David Vs Goliath of the water: British warship is dwarfed by 50,000-tonne Russian aircraft carrier as it escorts fleet past Britain | Mail Online
Who needs MPA ?
HMS York scrambled to Scotland in Russian fleet security scare | Mail Online
David Vs Goliath of the water: British warship is dwarfed by 50,000-tonne Russian aircraft carrier as it escorts fleet past Britain | Mail Online
Who needs MPA ?
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So, despite the MoD clearly and correctly clarifying in the story that the comparative sizes of the actual vessels is irrelevant, the Mail still makes this the main headline of the story? 
In a ship vs ship scenario, I'd back a well-equipped DDG over a singleton carrier anyday!
In a ship vs ship scenario, I'd back a well-equipped DDG over a singleton carrier anyday!
Stuffy,
It's just a pity that your first link is to a story dated 14 Dec 2011, and your second to one dated 7 Feb 2012......
FA18,
Unfortunately the Type 42s aren't "well equipped" DDGs!! I believe Sea Dart has been withdrawn, see:
Sea Dart (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
No doubt as a cost saving measure. Indeed, I'm not even sure we have any Type 42s left, but no doubt someone will inform us....or we could just.....
Type 42 destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
HMS Edinburgh still seems to be around?
It's just a pity that your first link is to a story dated 14 Dec 2011, and your second to one dated 7 Feb 2012......
FA18,
Unfortunately the Type 42s aren't "well equipped" DDGs!! I believe Sea Dart has been withdrawn, see:
Sea Dart (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
No doubt as a cost saving measure. Indeed, I'm not even sure we have any Type 42s left, but no doubt someone will inform us....or we could just.....
Type 42 destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
HMS Edinburgh still seems to be around?
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Isn't Sea Dart an anti-air missile???
I was talking ship vs ship and I don't think I mentioned the Type 42 specifically. But I would certainly put a Type 45 in the 'well equipped' category!
Anyway...what do I know...
I was talking ship vs ship and I don't think I mentioned the Type 42 specifically. But I would certainly put a Type 45 in the 'well equipped' category!
Anyway...what do I know...
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Type 45 - Well equipped for what?
Way off-topic I know but...
What could a Type 45 do against another ship?
1 - Shoot at it with the gun on the front.
2 - If it had a Lynx embarked it might be able to throw a Sea-Skua at it.
3 - No anti-ship missiles
4 - No torpedoes
A Royal Marine band might frighten the other ship off by playing awful music on the flight deck I suppose...
They are not as "Well equipped" as they ought to be ... as yet.
What could a Type 45 do against another ship?
1 - Shoot at it with the gun on the front.
2 - If it had a Lynx embarked it might be able to throw a Sea-Skua at it.
3 - No anti-ship missiles
4 - No torpedoes
A Royal Marine band might frighten the other ship off by playing awful music on the flight deck I suppose...
They are not as "Well equipped" as they ought to be ... as yet.
FA18,
Sea Dart had a limited SSM capability, but basically a Type 42 and a Type have no anti ship capability beyond a 4.5in gun and a helo......still put money on the destroyer (at least an RN one)?
Sea Dart had a limited SSM capability, but basically a Type 42 and a Type have no anti ship capability beyond a 4.5in gun and a helo......still put money on the destroyer (at least an RN one)?
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Technically, yes, Biggus. Sea Dart had a very limited ASM mode, but with no warhead. To be honest, it always looked to me a bit like the claimed role of using Sparrow against fast surface craft. OK in theory, but (apart from one trial in the SD case, I think) I wouldn't want to rely on it in a shooting war.
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In a ship vs ship scenario, I'd back a well-equipped DDG over a singleton carrier anyday!
The carrier would also have at least one friendly SSN in Direct Support in times of tension.
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Biggus,
It was meant to show a continuing threat. Not just a one off.
Here is a later one, if it makes you happy.
Russian navy fights the clock to launch new submarines near UK shores - DefenceReport
It was meant to show a continuing threat. Not just a one off.
Here is a later one, if it makes you happy.
Russian navy fights the clock to launch new submarines near UK shores - DefenceReport
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