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Ask somebody not in the RAF to name an RAF Squadron, and if they could name any at all, it would be 617. Makes perfect sense to keep it.
To be honest, I think I would struggle to think of more than three off the top of my head - 617Sqn, 1Sqn and 47Sqn - after that I'm guessing!
To be honest, I think I would struggle to think of more than three off the top of my head - 617Sqn, 1Sqn and 47Sqn - after that I'm guessing!
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What does it matter? There's only going to be six FJ squadrons (per AVM Bagwell), so their identities are really by-the-by. May as well call them 801-806 Naval Air Squadrons, and put the other few ISTAR, AT & SH squadrons in the Army and have done with it.
Even as an ex-soldier, it gives me no pleasure to point this out, but really, what's the point of it all? The viability of the RAF as a stand alone force is rapidly diminishing, and the headshed doesn't seem to be able to do anything about it.
Even as an ex-soldier, it gives me no pleasure to point this out, but really, what's the point of it all? The viability of the RAF as a stand alone force is rapidly diminishing, and the headshed doesn't seem to be able to do anything about it.
I'd just start renumbering from 1 upwards until all sqns are accounted for. Might even make double figures.
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"Ask somebody not in the RAF to name an RAF Squadron, and if they could name any at all, it would be......."
633 Squadron
bit pish but the music is fab.........
I think all remaining RAF Squadrons should start with a 6. Just like the Navy, with an 8. Like MI5 & MI6 it brings an air of mystery as to what happened to 1,2,3,4......
633 Squadron
bit pish but the music is fab.........
I think all remaining RAF Squadrons should start with a 6. Just like the Navy, with an 8. Like MI5 & MI6 it brings an air of mystery as to what happened to 1,2,3,4......
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There was a fascinating lineup on the static display at the 2012 Leuchars Airshow: one aircraft from each of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 squadrons. Three Typhoons, a Tornado, a Hawk and a Sentinel, which rather disrupted the visual flow of the line...
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I think all remaining RAF Squadrons should start with a 6.
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If we have Typhoon and Dave, with Dave at Lossie, what indeed about Marham post 2019? I thought the Tornado was due to remain in service till 2025 but 2019 was posited over the weekend.
Marham would be very handy for the Thetford training areas
Having read the report on the Eastern Daily Press link it does appear that this MP has jumped straight to conclusion, there is no way Typhoons and F35s will be co-located at Lossiemouth. Perhaps there'll be some way of moving 617 sqn from Lossiemouth to Marham? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Who knows.
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Thinking beyond JSF, and taking FR20 into account, the Aviation Arm of the HSBC/Kia/Samsung/Huywai Sponsored English Defence Forces will be UAV's flown by reservists.
So the remaining Squadrons will be 600, 602, 603, 612 etc
oh sorry 602, 603 and 612 are Scottish so they will get RBS sponsored r/c electric motors re-charged by wind energy whereas the affluent English forces will have glo-plug two strokes using Ethanol imported from Russia and Brazil.
(it has been a long day....)
So the remaining Squadrons will be 600, 602, 603, 612 etc
oh sorry 602, 603 and 612 are Scottish so they will get RBS sponsored r/c electric motors re-charged by wind energy whereas the affluent English forces will have glo-plug two strokes using Ethanol imported from Russia and Brazil.
(it has been a long day....)
As ex-raf I agree. Willard
So do I . As one of a proud Halton, Cranwell family going back to the 30's, sadly I doubt if the R.A.F. will make it much beyond its Century.
Arguably, there is surely now no further justification for an independent Air Force. The death knell came initially with the loss of holding the Nation's " Independent" nuclear deterrent.
What is left now that is not direct support to the other Forces and therefore arguably should not be directly subordinated to them?
"Air Defence of the U.K." hardly bears serious examination as justification for continued further independencce.
We are back to pre-1918.
Trenchard would turn in his grave.
So do I . As one of a proud Halton, Cranwell family going back to the 30's, sadly I doubt if the R.A.F. will make it much beyond its Century.
Arguably, there is surely now no further justification for an independent Air Force. The death knell came initially with the loss of holding the Nation's " Independent" nuclear deterrent.
What is left now that is not direct support to the other Forces and therefore arguably should not be directly subordinated to them?
"Air Defence of the U.K." hardly bears serious examination as justification for continued further independencce.
We are back to pre-1918.
Trenchard would turn in his grave.
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What is not in direct support?
I suppose all assets can be considered useable in direct support so the question is what missions remain that are not in direct support?
Rivet Joint could possibly regain the strategic role enjoyed by the Comets/Nimrods of 51 Sqn.
Would a counter air campaign be best controlled by a battlefield commander or at a higher level with a specialist air advisor?
Interdiction, is it still a viable role or would the battlefield commander want to retain the assets?
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My choice for the F35 would be 1208sqn. From a time when Lossie last had a maritime wing of two great squadrons. One still survives and one lost out to 6 foot spit.
If it fell to a current SQN it should be 12sqn. 12 May 1940 the SQN was awarded two VC's for their fatal raid. By keeping 12sqn as well as FO Garland and Sgt Gray the third member of the crew LAC Renyolds ( who received no award ) will be honoured.
If it fell to a current SQN it should be 12sqn. 12 May 1940 the SQN was awarded two VC's for their fatal raid. By keeping 12sqn as well as FO Garland and Sgt Gray the third member of the crew LAC Renyolds ( who received no award ) will be honoured.
