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Old 3rd Mar 2013, 14:28
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Acclimitisation for non pressurised planes.

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This is about high altitude acclimatisation requirement for flight crew. Consider a crew taking off from sea level (where they don't have to use supplementary oxygen) in a non pressurised cockpit and landing at 15000 ft for a work schedule of 5 days.

The crew would have used supplementary oxygen during the flight above 10000 ft, but after landing at destination at 15000 ft they are without it and breathing out of a rarefied oxygen atmosphere.

So, do they need an acclimatisation program of two-three days before they fly again or it would be fine to fly the very next day since they would be using supplementary oxygen during the flight?

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Interesting question Peeush

Some study here;

http://www.medind.nic.in/iab/t08/i2/iabt08i2p9.pdf
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Why don't you speak with the Doctors at RAF CAM?
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RAeS London 5th March

Royal Aeronautical Society | Event | Stewart Lecture 2013

All the aviation medics will be in town on Tuesday next week.

Trudge is more into integration of kit but I am sure there will be others there who can feild your question.

Free to attend if you are not even a member.
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lj, good find and quite relevant to some ISAF as well I would have thought.
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I was thinking more like Dr Green...........if he is still there?

However, if we hadn't have sold off the CHS to QQ, and then let them disband the capability (no profit) - Peeush could have had a trial to answer thenquestion as opposed to a calculated guess!
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My thought is that altitude sickness is likely to occur in the first few hours at altitude. A slow ascent is likely to reduce the risk so flying up to altitude is not a good way to do it. For mountaineers they recommend 1000 feet fer day once above 10,000 feet. So it would seem to me that staying at 15,000 for a few days is not likely to show any obvious benefit. Probably best to land and fly out as quickly as possible.
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My experience of flying a military aircxraft from a sea level base to a 10,000ft airfield was that I felt relatively awful on the ground and had trouble with hotel stairs etc. However my lung capacity was at the very bottom of normal.

Once back in my aircraft with a mask on I was instantly back to normal. Beware mistakes on the ground before you get on O2 though.
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For what it's worth.
FAA regs permit operation up to 12,500 ft without supplemental oxygen, and up to 14,000 ft for 30 minutes.
I instructed at a flight school where we exposed students to aircraft operation at 12,000 ft without oxygen. All students remarked on a perceived change in capability. Approximately 50% made significant navigational errors and all of those were sure that they hadn't made errors. The errors started occurring after about half an hour.

So, I guess even if you are operating the aircraft with oxygen, you may get your planning on the ground wrong and not notice.
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