Ejection Seat or Butt Fire?
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Ejection Seat or Butt Fire?
Regarding these easily obtained ejection photographs I would like to ask the experienced;
1.Does one’s buttocks get warm?
2. Does it always involve head scalping?
1.Does one’s buttocks get warm?
2. Does it always involve head scalping?
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I personally saw a pilot eject from an A7 as the attack/fighter lifted off the runway at Tinker AFB about 25 years ago. Shocking and violent, but saved his life as one wing folded on the step. Still his flight suit butt area appeared to be smoking as he lay face down in the grass next to the runway. Seeing these photos, it occurred to me that the heat must be tremendous in the enclosed cockpit as the rockets fire. I was also under the impression that their flight suits were made of nomex or otherwise non-flammable.
I personally saw a pilot eject from an A7 as the attack/fighter lifted off the runway at Tinker AFB about 25 years ago. Shocking and violent, but saved his life as one wing folded on the step. Still his flight suit butt area appeared to be smoking as he lay face down in the grass next to the runway. Seeing these photos, it occurred to me that the heat must be tremendous in the enclosed cockpit as the rockets fire. I was also under the impression that their flight suits were made of nomex or otherwise non-flammable.
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Rockets do not fire 'in the cockpit'. The initial movement is cartridge powered until up the rail when the rockets let go.What is "as one wing folded on the step"?
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Many years ago a certain individual ejected from the back seat of an A-4. His seat was not of the Martin Baker type and the efflux from the discharging cartridges of this seat vented via several small louvres, directed down and out from the seat as it travelled up the rail.
HOWEVER, one of these louvres had been positioned the wrong way. i.e. it pointed towards the seat pan, and the flames burnt thought the seat pan, through part of the dinghy he was sitting on, through part of his parachute harness and through his flight gear.
So far so bad, HOWEVER, because one of the louvres on one side was pointing the wrong way, the ride up the rail was not as smooth as normal and the individual suffered breaks on his legs and arms, AND a broken neck as his body flailed during the "ride".
The good news. Because he was rather light-weight, the seat just managed to clear the tail of the aircraft., and although part of his parachute harness was burnt through, the remainder dropped him in the water at a reasonably safe speed. He was picked up and survived, and eventually returned to flying.
HOWEVER, one of these louvres had been positioned the wrong way. i.e. it pointed towards the seat pan, and the flames burnt thought the seat pan, through part of the dinghy he was sitting on, through part of his parachute harness and through his flight gear.
So far so bad, HOWEVER, because one of the louvres on one side was pointing the wrong way, the ride up the rail was not as smooth as normal and the individual suffered breaks on his legs and arms, AND a broken neck as his body flailed during the "ride".
The good news. Because he was rather light-weight, the seat just managed to clear the tail of the aircraft., and although part of his parachute harness was burnt through, the remainder dropped him in the water at a reasonably safe speed. He was picked up and survived, and eventually returned to flying.
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Nope, it was on the runway. I know about the lawyer getting squashed in his house by the A7 you mention. Same pilot though, ( I think ).
Don't remember any imeadiate house clearings. Many after the tornado a decade ago.
Don't remember any imeadiate house clearings. Many after the tornado a decade ago.
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No it wasn't on the runway. It was in a suburb of Oke city where it landed. Yes, it was associated with the F-117. I was driving cross country and stayed the night at the Q at TIK a couple days after the accident.
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Up yours liar. I was THERE!
F117? In 1985 at at Tinker AFB? General Burpee was in command of AFLC at the time.
Who the hell do you think your dealing with here?
No wonder the Brits are sick of Americans on this blog.
F117? In 1985 at at Tinker AFB? General Burpee was in command of AFLC at the time.
Who the hell do you think your dealing with here?
No wonder the Brits are sick of Americans on this blog.
Up yours? Really fonzi.
The aircraft crashed off base. It was an A-7, D model to be exact, the unit was associated with the then secret squirrel F-117 program. Your memory is simply slipping after all the years. It happens.
It crashed into a house in Midwest city, that being a 'burb of Oke city, not far from TIK. Give me enough time and I'll get you the cross streets. You want the bureau number of the jet? I got that as well.
The aircraft crashed off base. It was an A-7, D model to be exact, the unit was associated with the then secret squirrel F-117 program. Your memory is simply slipping after all the years. It happens.
It crashed into a house in Midwest city, that being a 'burb of Oke city, not far from TIK. Give me enough time and I'll get you the cross streets. You want the bureau number of the jet? I got that as well.
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We are talking about two different crashes. I was there during both get it yet liar?
Keep looking up old news reports please and you might get it right eventually. Try midwest city oklahoma. Tinker does not have a runway 17. Both crashes was off runway 36
Keep looking up old news reports please and you might get it right eventually. Try midwest city oklahoma. Tinker does not have a runway 17. Both crashes was off runway 36
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There was no "squirrel unit". Both A7s had just been rebuilt at the overhaul facility. What squirrel unit? Who the hell cares about what unit anyway? totally irrelevant. All AF A7s were rebuilt there! There is no "Squirrel unit".
Looking up data don't mean your smart or experienced with aviation. It just means you are a keyboard commando. Like about millions and millions of other people????
You are the squirrel. lol
Looking up data don't mean your smart or experienced with aviation. It just means you are a keyboard commando. Like about millions and millions of other people????
You are the squirrel. lol
I made no mention of a runway, perhaps you might be addressing another poster.
Secret squirrel was a term widely used in the Marine Corps when discussing things of a classified nature such as the F-117 at the time. Thought you mentioned you were once in the Marine Corps, if so you would have recognized the term instantly, it was a widely used term.
Can you provide me with specifics of the crash so we may find out who is correct? I saw a couple of crashes in my time, saw the aftermath of a few more. With a little thought I can nail down dates to within a few weeks to a month or two.
Her ya go, you can buy your own secret squirrel patch
Secret Squirrel Patch - OCP (Model #
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Secret squirrel was a term widely used in the Marine Corps when discussing things of a classified nature such as the F-117 at the time. Thought you mentioned you were once in the Marine Corps, if so you would have recognized the term instantly, it was a widely used term.
Can you provide me with specifics of the crash so we may find out who is correct? I saw a couple of crashes in my time, saw the aftermath of a few more. With a little thought I can nail down dates to within a few weeks to a month or two.
Her ya go, you can buy your own secret squirrel patch
Secret Squirrel Patch - OCP (Model #
0336)
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I was in the Marines during the Vietnam war. No squirrels. No F117s. No PC keyboards. Never would have heard "squirrels".
In the 80's, no Marines at Stinker Field, no squirrels, and, I was not in the Air Force. Just a very well paid vet.
So I don't know what you are trying to prove and I cannot fathom why the hell you are trying so hard to prove it?
In the 80's, no Marines at Stinker Field, no squirrels, and, I was not in the Air Force. Just a very well paid vet.
So I don't know what you are trying to prove and I cannot fathom why the hell you are trying so hard to prove it?
I simply want you to provide some details about the accident so the veracity of your story can be determined. I believe you're in error. I avoid calling folks liars concerning events from a quarter century before, memories fade.
I'm not trying to prove anything.
I'm not trying to prove anything.