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Old 21st Dec 2012, 07:40
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Oman contract

BBC News - BAE Systems wins £2.5bn Oman Hawk and Typhoon contract

Nice news to go into the BAE xmas Friday beer call with.


BAE Systems, the UK aerospace company, has won a £2.5bn aircraft contract with the Sultanate of Oman. BAE will provide 12 Typhoon and eight Hawk Advanced Jet Trainer aircraft.
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Gawd bless Sultan Qaboos!!!

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You don't get a lot for £2.5 Billion nowadays do you? Or is it just BAe that offer such value for money?
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£2.5bn includes the baksheesh. Bargain really.
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Indeed Fox3! Having been involved in delivering and then flying BAe aircraft in the Middle East and then having worked for BAe in Middle East sales I have seen both sides of the story, so to speak. Of course as BAe have never been involved in irregular payments of any sort I can't be sure what it was that I saw!
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Must include a mahoosive spares, weapons and support package.... or a lot of "facilitation". Even if you accept that full up cost (including R&D) wiki reckons £125m a copy x 12 = £1.5bn - BUT £65m seems much more reasonable: meaning £0.8bn. Add in Hawk at say £25m a copy x 8 = £0.2bn - leaving £1.5bn.

Wonder what they think they're buying?

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"as BAe have never been involved in irregular payments of any sort"

so not the same BAe that was fined for irregularities in Tanzania, Saudi & other places then........................
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"Wonder what they think they're buying?"

probably life time costs in the same sort of 2008 dollars JSFfan uses to tell us the F-35 is on target (nay! under budget!) pricewise
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The BBC news article in the original link mentions "in-service support"!

No doubt this is responsible for most of the costs of the contract, especially if it is for a lengthy period.
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Perhaps I should have made my heavy sarcasm even heavier! When I worked in sales the rule of thumb was that in the working life of an £X million aircraft the operating and maitenance costs would be £4X million, roughly

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"as BAe have never been involved in irregular payments of any sort"
In some countries 'irregular' means regular. Normal business practices.
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Saintsman - yes, but *VERY* silly if you're in the UK now with the 2010 Bribery Act....

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I see your 2010 Bribery Act and raise you Dropping BAE inquiry vital to national interest, says Blair | World news | guardian.co.uk

I know what my money (OK, the money in a brown envelope that just happened to appear in my overcoat when leaving the Club) is on should the press get too nosey again.

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Fox3B,

Indeed, but Blair's actions predated the 2010 Act by some years.

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Try being positive chaps.
Go on !
They're buying a good aircraft and we've sold it to them!
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Big well done to the BAe sales team. Very nice Xmas Pressie. As for irregular payments I am reliably informed that they no longer happen. Now it's excuse me sir, you've just dropped the keys to your new Bentley!
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..or it's 'Consultancy Fees'.

Squirrel, I know it predated the Act. My point was that BAe were being investigated under the existing laws and Blair dropped the investigation. I have little doubt the same would happen again. And we all know a bureaucracy's answer to law breaking they can't/are unwilling to stop is to bring in even more laws (which won't get obeyed either).
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whilst on the subject of "irregular payments" a mate of mine works for a major accountancy firm - they're telling their clients that the UK, USA, Germany & the Scandinavians are passing details of "irregular payments" they come across to the others so that you may be clear under the (US) Corrupt Practices Act but the Brits can get you under their Bribery Act and vice versa................
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So who's going to fly them?
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Oman contract

I call shotgun on one of the Hawks.
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