Precision of Israeli strike
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 193
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If Israel attacks Iran, they would expect trouble from Gaza. Perhaps they think it is better to have that Gaza engagement first, destroy the major rocket sites before beginning the Iran operation.
Pretty certain its not a Brimstone round, whatever it was came in close to vertical, as most of the blast was directed forward, but not in a great fashion. Some light debris hits building face at cars 10' o'clock, and car front carries on a little. Whatever fired whatever, it was from targets high rear, and weapon had a near vertical terminal profile. Assume car was armoured? Usually its the roof that gets the least amount, which could explain blast containment.
Precise engagement though, the rammifications if it went t1ts up in a res area would be very bad.
Precise engagement though, the rammifications if it went t1ts up in a res area would be very bad.
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Detroit MI
Age: 66
Posts: 1,460
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Footage of the strike is still available...
[Edit]
Why does Prune do all these silly little alterations of spelling? It's so bloody puerile. I typed l a s e r... Someone needs to grow up!!!
[/Edit]
Last edited by Airborne Aircrew; 16th Nov 2012 at 11:46.
AA, your point, well made, suggests to me that GBU-44 or similar weapon was used. From my own experience, I think Hellfire would have made a far bigger bloom on the gun camera/IR/whatever film.
Also, that sedan would have been blown all over the street were it a Hellfire that hit it. (On second viewing, I note that the chasis is more or less in tact, which supports my analysis).
Small vehicle.
Hellfire is made to take out tanks.
The D.I.M.E. hypothesis has some legs, however.
Also, that sedan would have been blown all over the street were it a Hellfire that hit it. (On second viewing, I note that the chasis is more or less in tact, which supports my analysis).
Small vehicle.
Hellfire is made to take out tanks.
The D.I.M.E. hypothesis has some legs, however.
Last edited by Lonewolf_50; 16th Nov 2012 at 13:50.
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: netherlands
Age: 56
Posts: 769
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
probably something similar to the new gen light missiles like the Thales FASGW, up to 3kg warhead, very precise.
Production Begins for Thales’ Small LMM/FASGW-L Missiles
UK ordered them too. E.g. for shooting at a pirate ship or rebels hiding in towns.
Crying woman and wounded children are on Youtube/ Al Jazera/ CNN before the PM's PR chief knows what happened.
Production Begins for Thales’ Small LMM/FASGW-L Missiles
UK ordered them too. E.g. for shooting at a pirate ship or rebels hiding in towns.
Crying woman and wounded children are on Youtube/ Al Jazera/ CNN before the PM's PR chief knows what happened.
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Germany
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Doesn't agm114 have a loft terminal phase to take out tanks through their thinner top armour? Would correspond with the vid. From the lack of bits left, could it have been a tungsten powder carbon fibre bomb? Very low collateral damage allegedly...
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 1,136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Isn't it odd that the footage has no symbology on it, which to me suggests it wasn't taken from a targeting pod. (No L/L, grid, north up, cross hairs etc etc)
So why post that footage and not the stuff from the aeroplane itself?
The plot thickens.
A previous poster mentioned the new Israeli weapons - one of which can go a very long way...(just google Spike NLOS)...so maybe, just maybe, the weapon wasn't an air launched munition at all. And whatever was taking the (strangely sanitized) footage was merely a cueing system? Thoughts?
So why post that footage and not the stuff from the aeroplane itself?
The plot thickens.
A previous poster mentioned the new Israeli weapons - one of which can go a very long way...(just google Spike NLOS)...so maybe, just maybe, the weapon wasn't an air launched munition at all. And whatever was taking the (strangely sanitized) footage was merely a cueing system? Thoughts?
@orca,
Interesting points re footage. I would still have to say air launched though. That sort of built up area would give very short range, fleeting opportunities for say a shoulder launched weapon, and chances are you would see a propellant trail as it would likely still be in boost or sustain phase. Certainly not a long range shot from air or ground, solely because of those reasons regarding environment. Very difficult. But not impossible?
Still going with air launched something, maybe kinetic, but couldnt see any major disruption to road surface?
@PN,
Very true, but surely even the sons of David dont want to take out more than they need to, shock factor of a strike like this much more intimidating than a gotcha with extras on the side.
Interesting points re footage. I would still have to say air launched though. That sort of built up area would give very short range, fleeting opportunities for say a shoulder launched weapon, and chances are you would see a propellant trail as it would likely still be in boost or sustain phase. Certainly not a long range shot from air or ground, solely because of those reasons regarding environment. Very difficult. But not impossible?
Still going with air launched something, maybe kinetic, but couldnt see any major disruption to road surface?
@PN,
Very true, but surely even the sons of David dont want to take out more than they need to, shock factor of a strike like this much more intimidating than a gotcha with extras on the side.
Could the shot have come from below? It appears to me that the explosion occurred just as the vehicle was passing a dark rectangle shape on the road surface (manhole cover?) Was that explosion triggered from the platform that took that video footage and which could explain the lack of a propellant trail. Just a thought!!
4mast, an intriguing thought, but that would take even more planning to set up the mine in a hostile area. Could be, but not as likely as the GBU-44 class of munition. I also note from what few pics of the wreckage as I can find on the web that the lower chassis seems to be mostly intact, which would argue from that analysis against a "blow it up from the botttom" method. Neat idea, though. 
The weapon used, the more I think of it, is probably a derivative of the old BAT (Brilliant Anti Tank Munition) that I recall from some years ago. I remember a colonel once telling me that BAT made the tank obsolete. (Heh, he was wrong about that, somewhat).
BAT had no vapor trail, as it was menat to drop from above, hit the top of the vehicle, and used a variety of guidance choices and airfoills to guide it into the target. Sort of like how the fins on a GBU-12 500 pound bomb being lased onto a target guide it to the spot. No vapor trail there either, but a hell of a bang when it goes off.
The weapon used, the more I think of it, is probably a derivative of the old BAT (Brilliant Anti Tank Munition) that I recall from some years ago. I remember a colonel once telling me that BAT made the tank obsolete. (Heh, he was wrong about that, somewhat).
BAT had no vapor trail, as it was menat to drop from above, hit the top of the vehicle, and used a variety of guidance choices and airfoills to guide it into the target. Sort of like how the fins on a GBU-12 500 pound bomb being lased onto a target guide it to the spot. No vapor trail there either, but a hell of a bang when it goes off.
Last edited by Lonewolf_50; 16th Nov 2012 at 19:19.
Best i can get it with the trigger finger, Ha-HAAARR!
Time span 2 seconds total.
No discernible trails, but on the video, at the moment of detonation, if you look at the 1 o'clock position of the highlighting yellow circle, there is a brief flicker that i cannot make out whether it is lens flare, debris that is putting on the beans in an orbital insertion fashion, or possibly part of the delivery system?
Time span 2 seconds total.
No discernible trails, but on the video, at the moment of detonation, if you look at the 1 o'clock position of the highlighting yellow circle, there is a brief flicker that i cannot make out whether it is lens flare, debris that is putting on the beans in an orbital insertion fashion, or possibly part of the delivery system?
Last edited by garyscott; 16th Nov 2012 at 19:29. Reason: Left part of the explanation out . . . Wine induced of course.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 1,136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Really interesting, especially given the notably small explosion, as well as obstacles, which might have made lasing from a FW platform quite tricky. And if it were a 114 are we assuming drone launch vice helo?
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 1,136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I have had a thought....perhaps it was nothing we've been discussing so far and was in fact a booby trapped car? ('Get the telly on chaps and we'll press the button as soon as you've got some good footage' type of thing)
After all this thing doesn't leave a trail, can be cued by a passive TV, kills cars but doesn't shake the leaves off nearby trees!
Now, of course, I would love to think it was an air launched munition because I still pay the mortgage throwing them around...but I can't think which one this was!
(And I'm watching the Wales vs Samoa game whilst puzzling about weapon to target matching and seeing whether or not red wine helps either!)
After all this thing doesn't leave a trail, can be cued by a passive TV, kills cars but doesn't shake the leaves off nearby trees!
Now, of course, I would love to think it was an air launched munition because I still pay the mortgage throwing them around...but I can't think which one this was!
(And I'm watching the Wales vs Samoa game whilst puzzling about weapon to target matching and seeing whether or not red wine helps either!)