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tartare 15th Nov 2012 22:30

Precision of Israeli strike
 
While not wanting to get into a debate over the rights and wrongs of latest Israeli action against Ahmed al-Jabari, couldn't help but notice how precise the strike was.
In the you tube video (before it was taken down) the missile hit the car exactly at a T junction between two streets.
Damage was confined purely to the passenger capsule of the car.
Presumably some sort of very small warhead - what might the IDF have used?
Certainly wasn't a Hellfire.
Looking like it's going to be a very ugly few weeks in Gaza and surrounding areas...

500N 15th Nov 2012 22:37

"Damage was confined purely to the passenger capsule of the car."

Not from the photos I saw of the wreck.

It blew the whole damn car to pieces including the
chassis, one arm of which was sticking out at an angle.


Still precise but damage not how you describe.

tartare 15th Nov 2012 22:49

http://www.viceland.com/viceblog/833...ticleLarge.jpg

Note that the front third of the car is relatively intact.
Possibly due to the firewall containing the blast.
Anyway - quibbling aside - it was a very precise strike...

http://www.calgaryherald.com/7547177.bin

500N 15th Nov 2012 23:07

OK, the photos I saw were when the car was still in flames
and none showed the front of the car.

Rhino power 15th Nov 2012 23:21

His body was in considerably worse shape than the car...

-RP

500N 15th Nov 2012 23:28

Looking at how the arse end has peeled open,
it shows at which end it hit plus as you say,
the firewall could have contained it.


But agree, to take out a car by itself
without too much collateral damage is good going.

.

air pig 15th Nov 2012 23:29

But who tipped off the IDF and Mossad, where he was going, when and at what time. Not the sort of job where you accept promotion unless you want a very short lifespan or live a life indoors in a bunker. I suspect Hamas have got the electrodes and black and decker out or waiting for someone, just a good excuse for some internal bloodletting.

Could this have been a kinetic kill weapon with a solid warhead or at least a small explosive package, and the fuel tank just blew. There appears to be very little collateral damage, there is no obvious damage to buildings and the palm trees appear intact.

Damm good targeting though.:E

500N 15th Nov 2012 23:36

It did say in the media that the Israelis had been tracking him for months.
My initial suspicion was that that was a smoke screen.

I supposed if they had planned to do a strike like this they
would have made sure they knew who was where.

tartare 16th Nov 2012 00:00

makes me wonder if:
*they had some sort of beacon planted in the car or invisible marking agent on the roof which allowed a missile lock. I would have thought it would be next to impossible to effectively lase/paint a moving target like that in such a dense urban environment.
*if it may in fact have been a small bomb planted inside the vehicle itself
The degree of containment of the blast seems curious if it was a missile strike - even just a kinetic solid warhead. I note they have developed some very small missiles ground to ground, and that the US has tested similar air to ground weapons capable of being fielded on the AH64.

500N 16th Nov 2012 00:06

tartare

Laser designators ?

Either by ground based persons or from the plane itself.


The Israelis did say that it was an F 16 that did it.


Re type of bomb / missile, in the Libyan conflict did you see the tank
they took out with a missile ? may have been a hell fire ?.

It was in a side street, between two garden walls. Amazingly not much
else was touched except the tank.

tartare 16th Nov 2012 00:12

I hadn't seen that it was an F16... just assumed it was an Apache.
That says a lot for their ability to laser designate moving targets in built up areas then. Official IAF photo of one of the jets below:
http://www.iaf.org.il/Sip_Storage/FILES/4/57644.jpg

He was driving reasonably quickly in a narrowish street.
‫
No - didn't see incident referred to above. I'd always thought a Hellfire left a very big smoking hole in the ground... hence wondering if it was some new micro warhead thing...

500N 16th Nov 2012 00:18

Here is the video. I think it might have been Brimstone, not a Hellfire.


Combat camera: RAF Tornado missile strikes Gaddafi forces tank - YouTube

Buster Hyman 16th Nov 2012 01:23

http://www.calgaryherald.com/7547177.bin

Are they going to try & jump start it?

WhatsaLizad? 16th Nov 2012 01:51

Just a little scratch.

It will buff right out.

Fox3WheresMyBanana 16th Nov 2012 02:13

Nah, they're just nicking the bonnet, so's they can flog it off to 'Abdul's Kia Spares & Dry Cleaners'

You didn't see nuffink, right? We weren't 'ere.
.

Buster Hyman 16th Nov 2012 04:15

Didn't know Hamas had an office in Liverpool...:}:ouch::suspect:

Lima Juliet 16th Nov 2012 06:05

I'm not sure if Israel has them, but this looks like the work of GBU-44 Viper Strike to me

GBU-44 Viper Strike: Death From Above

It may be something similar if not?

LJ

VinRouge 16th Nov 2012 06:26

Probably tipped with this. Apparently tungsten powder can give you a bit of a rash if you are at the wrong end of one of these.
:E

Dense Inert Metal Explosive - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

sitigeltfel 16th Nov 2012 06:27

Footage of the strike is still available...


Pontius Navigator 16th Nov 2012 07:15


He was driving reasonably quickly in a narrowish street
Did no one notice he was being followed?


Originally Posted by tartare (Post 7522394)

:)


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